Hi everyone, On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Tracy Teal <tkt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Fotis, > > For the Data Carpentry Genomics workshops, we have an Education grant from > Amazon. So, we use the Data Carpentry account and spin up instances for you > for the workshop. Then the workshop participants just ssh in to the > instances. > > We specifically don't have people spin up their own instances in the > workshop because of the time it would take to go through that process and > some of the issues that Titus mentions. > > We do provide documentation on how to spin up the instances > <https://jasonjwilliamsny.github.io/cloud-genomics/logging-onto-cloud.html> > though, so that after the workshop, people can work through that on their > own for their own work, and when they have more time. > > Some places also teach the Genomics workshop on their local HPC resources > and we're also looking into using Jetstream <http://jetstream-cloud.org>. > We want to teach something that people will have access to after the > workshop, and Amazon is something that is generally available, but the > point is to introduce people to the idea of remote computing, so it's just > one of many options. > > We recently used Jetstream to teach a workshop in neuroscience/image processing at UCSF (http://grinberglab.ucsf.edu/python). The experience was made very pleasant thanks to the UC Berkeley XSEDE champion, Aaron Culich, who helped us set this up. A few more details in this blog-post: https://bids. berkeley.edu/news/berkeley-and-uw-data-scientists-team- ucsf-researchers-deliver-data-driven-analysis-and-machine, and we're also planning to write a technical report about all the moving pieces. Cheers, > Best, > -Tracy > > > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Fotis E. Psomopoulos < > fp...@issel.ee.auth.gr> wrote: > >> That's actually really useful Titus - thanks a lot for sharing this! >> >> Last time I had the process with AWS done was last May, so that's why I >> had >> the wrong impression. This also means that we probably need to find a >> working solution for preparing participants for the DC genomics lesson. >> >> Regards, >> >> Fotis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. Titus Brown [mailto:ctbr...@ucdavis.edu] >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 10:11 PM >> To: Jaime Ashander <ashan...@ucla.edu> >> Cc: Fotis E. Psomopoulos <fp...@issel.ee.auth.gr>; Software Carpentry >> Discussion <discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org> >> Subject: Re: [Discuss] AWS cost for genomics lesson >> >> Apologies if this is a bit off-topic, but: >> >> Note that in recent months (at least the last 4 months or so) you will be >> blocked from starting up a new AWS instance for at least the first few >> hours >> after you first try, until they verify your account. Presumably this is >> to >> stop people from creating fake accounts and running up compute before >> being >> caught. >> >> This puts a serious monkey wrench in any workshop that doesn't have people >> sign up *and try to start a new instance at least the night before the >> workshop*. >> >> (This change in AWS practice happened sometime around our workshop at >> Scripps Institute of Oceanograph, >> https://2016-metagenomics-sio.readthedocs.io/en/latest/, so before >> October >> 12, 2016. We had 17 people unable to start their instances. Fun fun >> fun!) >> >> I've talked to some AWS folk about it and so far there has been nothing >> they >> could do other than take a list of accounts to prevalidate (which didn't >> work the one time we tried to do it). >> >> Largely for this reason, I'm going to seriously try out JetStream as an >> alternative to AWS in the next few months. >> >> best, >> --titus >> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:00:23PM -0800, Jaime Ashander wrote: >> > For the recommended instance type, t2.medium, (per >> > http://www.datacarpentry.org/genomics-workshop/ ) the current costs in >> > N VA (per https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ ): >> > >> > t2.medium 2 Variable 4 EBS Only $0.047 per Hour >> > - Jaime >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Fotis E. Psomopoulos < >> > fp...@issel.ee.auth.gr> wrote: >> > >> > > If none (or at least the majority) of the participants have a >> > > previous AWS account, they will be eligible for the free tier ??? >> > > essentially they will have to create an amazon account (and probably >> > > give their credit card >> > > details) but there will be no cost for using the cloud resources. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > That was the case on both times I participated to the DC genomics >> > > lesson, so it might as well be true in other instances as well. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Just my two cents??? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Fotis >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > *From:* Discuss >> > > [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org] *On Behalf Of >> > > *Strong, Dena L >> > > *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2017 9:12 PM >> > > *To:* Christopher Hamm <topher.h...@gmail.com>; >> > > discuss@lists.software- carpentry.org >> > > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] AWS cost for genomics lesson >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I can???t speak specifically to the Data Carpentry experience, but >> > > when we???ve done full day AWS training for groups of 20-30 IT Pros >> > > at our university, the whole cost for everyone for the day was >> > > approximately $3. A few cents per person per hour, because nothing >> > > external was driving much traffic to the test sites. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > *From:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org >> > > <discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org>] *On Behalf Of >> > > *Christopher Hamm >> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:50 PM >> > > *To:* discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org >> > > *Subject:* [Discuss] AWS cost for genomics lesson >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Do we know what the approximate cost of using AWS is per student for >> > > the Data Carpentry genomics lessons? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Chris >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- >> > > >> > > Christopher A. 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