Hmm, if you could kindly point out where I said anything about 3rd
party voices being upgraded being considered as part of voiceover,
I'd sure like to see it. What I said was that voiceover isn't just
the vo utility used to set yoour configuration items. It's the
speech server, the *apple* voices, and even changes in the os and/or
other programs that talk to vo. I've seen changes, but if you want
to tell me that vo identifying what kind of program I'm looking at in
the finder isn't a change in vo, or that I can see buttons I couldn't
before in some applications, then by all means, feel free to claim
nothing has changed. Me personally, I make that claim every time
jaws is quote upgraded unquote, since they seem to follow the
microsoft mode of upgrades, let's introduce new features that are
buggy, and never bother to fix the broken things. We'll fix those in
the next release, and folks who don't pay for the sma will never get
those fixes. I for one am glad Apple doesn't follow this kind of
release schedule. Let's make a new upgrade available, twice a year,
whether it's ready or not, then we'll offer minor upgrades over the
next 6 months or so, until the next major one that will remove
another sma. I kind of like Apple's approach better. Let's fix
things as we get to them, things that are easy and minor at first,
then we'll continue building a solid product. Of course, since
nobody believes anything has been done, perhaps you would like to
talk to the programmers, and ask why they've been changing code with
no tangible results.
Come on folks, not everything that changes is going to be noticable
for everyone. Some things are merely cosmetic, some are bug
squashing, and others will be functional. I have no problem with
Apple taking their time and making sure that things work before
trotting them out to everyone. Perhaps we need to remember that vo
is part of the os. That means that maybe something that would be
great for vo could cause a problem for non-vo users. Would I like to
see more tangible results? Sure I would, but do I want to see these
changes at the cost of stability or usability? Absolutely not. If vo
was a stand-alone product, and absolutely nothing had changed since
it's release, I might be concerned that Apple had forgotten about
us. However, since it's tightly integrated into the os, I can see
that changes would necessarily have to be strictly controled, since
the effect on the rest of the os *must* be considered. Apple's done
a fantastic thing here, let's not undermine their efforts by
complaining about the perceived lack of upgrades. Just because you
don't see them doesn't mean they're not happening.
On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
So are you telling us that the Cepstral voices are classified as
VoiceOver? Even though they aren't produced, serviced or sold by
Apple? I don't follow that logic somehow.
At 13:14 13/01/2006 -0500, Travis Siegel said:
Don't forget, vo isn't just the application, it's also the speech
server, the universal access utility, the various voices, and so on.
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