David Poehlman wrote:
AC: OSX doesn't have full keyboard access without VO).
dp: please explain?
AC: Most of the keyboard commands for Voiceover only work when VO is on.
Things like getting to the status area, and navigating applications
don't work without the VO/keyboard cursor (e.g. F6/shift-F6 in windows).
Something I would like is for the 'full keyboard access' mode to include
most of the VO commands, just without speech. However, I may be a market
of 1 ;)
dp: I like relative motion and did notice that there are some places
where we move differently depending on the keys we use. I only wish we
had more of that such as on the web orr in airport setup.
AC: Doesn't it make it more difficult to learn what is where? I'm not
saying it should change, you can get to everything in the same order
with VO-right/left, but it does change things around if you aren't careful.
I guess it have certain advantages when you know how something is laid
out thought. For example, VO-down twice and then interact gets you into
Safari's content quickly.
dp: can you put the uri in the message?
AC: Sorry, I had but not very recognizably: www.alastairc.ac
I can't replicate exactly what I just mentioned, either I've changed
some settings or my memory is leaving me!
However, try two things:
1. On www.alastairc.ac, get to the first content heading (currently
"WYSIWYG editor spec - allowed HTML", and VO-right. Then you get the
'posted' line. VO-right again skips over to the 'Site' heading, which is
actually in the second column.
Should people use VO-down when reading on the web in general? It seems
more set up for sighted use in this regard, it must be confusing otherwise.
2. On the Wiki (www.blindtechs.net/wiki/), when I use VO-down, I go
through the left column twice, then into the content area. It starts
with 'link' (the logo), navigation, search, and toolbox headings, then
you get the sub-sections of each area like 'main page', Because they are
indented slightly they count as another column.
I can see positive and negatives to this 2D approach, but on balance I
would prefer a code-order approach, as it is fairly easy to miss things
otherwise. (Or at least an option to take that approach.)
However, it isn't completely grid based, as hidden skip links area read
out is *roughly* the order I would expect from a linear presentation,
which is why I wanted to do some test cases...
Still, it could all change in Leopard, with the 'improved navigation'.
Kind regards,
-Alastair
