I completely agree, Greg. Considering what I have read on this
list by your contributions, Apple does not have to look any further
than you. Let's hope someone out there is listening.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
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On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
I have said this on a number of occations and I will keep saying it.
What is needed is an Accessibility Evangelist at Apple. This person
and his staff would be responsible to ask the hard questions about
accessibility as products, be they software or hardware, enter
development both with in Apple and with outside developers.
Most of the time accessibility only requires slight modification to
a product. When it isn't there it more likely not there because of
oversight by the developers. An Accessibility Evangelist could
insure that oversight does not occur.
Now for the Accessibility Evangelist to be able to do his job he or
she will need the support of the highest level of Apple management.
That means Steve Jobs has to tell all the other parts of the company
that they must abide by what the Accessibility Evangelist says and
no product may be release but that the office of the Accessibility
Evangelist has not had a look at it first to insure it is accessible
to the various disabled groups.
Greg Kearney, who is willing to take the job if offered :)
On Jan 10, 2007, at 16:43 , John Panarese wrote:
Lol. I knew this was where the eventual maneuvering would
take us. Let's not rehash an already beaten to death issue that
will get us nowhere. I guess the list was too quiet...
I knew the iPhone discussion was too good to be true.
Thanks for the laugh today
John D. Panarese
Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
9 Nolan Court
Hauppauge, NY 11788
Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479
Email, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com
AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA,
PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS,
DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY
IMPAIRED
AUTHORIZED APPLE BUSINESS AGENT
MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING
On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Abdul Kamara wrote:
Josh, honestly, what could be worse than "hoping to impress upon
Apple that
we wish" it's flag ship applications to be accessible via the very
framework
it says will allow the blind to use the Mac, and not getting it?
I don't recall that you participated much in the heated debates
we've had on
this subject matter. But the over-exuberance I speak of was
expressed by
the willingness on the part of some to let Apple rest on its
lorrels (e.g.,
"[Apple came up with VO; they are very serious about
accessibility; It's
only a matter of time till they make iTunes work with VO; give
them time;
after all, they've been working on porting Mac OSX to intel
architecture...]". You know what? You are absolutely right!
That's not
exuberance. That's complaisancy; which is even worse!
My point still stands. Which is that we assume that with consumer
electronics and blind people, where there is a will, there is a way.
Otherwise, we can do without. I applaud your stance toward trying
to make
Apple aware of your needs. But this is a departure... ...albeit, a
welcomed one...
Anyway, this is getting off topic (though I'm mostly to blame).
Thanks for the rigorous discourse, and good luck in your efforts
(all).
Abdul
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Subject: Re: Contact Apple: VO and iPhone
Abdul Kamara wrote:
Just a very quick point: my arguments affirmed by the fact that
even now
you
and others have to admit that you were over-exuberant about the
prospects
of
iTunes being accessible. It is not. Are we about to repeat the
same
behavior toward the iPhone? I see this as a pattern on this board,
excitement with a categorical dismissal of healthy skepticism,
followed by
disappointment.
I was never exuberant about iTunes with VO. I only advocated giving
Apple plenty of time to address the issue, after the statement they
released saying that they would. I still expect they will, but
patience
is running out now. This is far different than hoping to impress
upon
Apple that we wish this new device to be made accessible.
