Looking at the navigation payne, there are 4 configurable items, one is
mouse, one is keyboard focus one is insertion point and the last is vo
cursor. If you have them set to follow one another, there is usually no
need to route them because they are already routed. some of this
functionality is broken in tiger though.
If you are in text edit and you hide all the bars and rulers, you can use
arrows to move around but you are also moving the insertion point which
you
may or may not want to do.
The vo cursor is fine for people who have never seen a computer before or
who are used to using a mac and the vo manual is aimed at using the mac
not
making it feel like windows or to put it another way, it is aimed at using
vo and they leave the rest of using the mac pretty much up to other
documentation or to others to teach. If you do read a using osx guide, it
does tell you that you can use the arrows and such and looking through mac
help, there are tons of examples of things you can do with your mac that
coincidentally you can also do with your mac using vo in just about the
same
way except of course when it comes to using the mouse and even that is
more
possible than you might think with some practice.
Folk, This is an entirely different platform as has been said before and
I
cannot stress enough, put away your jaws.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Søren Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: cursor questions
Hi David.
Are there 3 cursors? A keyboard cursor, mouse cursor and the VO cursor? or
is the VO cursor and the mouse cursor the same?
In which siturations do you need to move the keyboard cursor to the VO
cursor, like route pc to Jaws cursor in Windows? I have been playing
around
with Tiger for one week now, and I have been able to use all programs
without need to route any cursors.
You said you can also use the arrow keys to navigate in documents. Is it a
new feature in Leopard? I don't remember the VO manual for Tiger says you
can use the arrow keys. It's only talking about navigateing with the VO
keys... Or am I `wrong? Another anoying thing with this manual: It only
says
you can navigate in the Finder by useing the VO keys. It says nothing
about
the arrow keys, and it's the same in the menus. I find out very quickly
that
I could use the arrow keys most of the time, but before I tried a Mac, I
thought it was very hard to learn to use the Mac, because they only talk
about the VO keys. If they also said you can use the arrow keys, I think
it
would be easyer for newbies to understand how it works. For example: You
don't need to hold down the VO keys for arrowing up and down in menus. I
think it confuses many newbies. What do you all think?
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: cursor questions
Scott,
These combinations are not in conflict at all. It can be argued though
that
at least at times, you need for them not to track one another and this is
why we can turn it off temporarily and turn it on again. It can also be
argued that the voice over cursor should never follow any other cursor
but
the cursors should always follow the voice over and mostly conversely,
the
other cursors should not follow the vo cursor.
Now that I've thoroughly confused you, here's how it works. If you are
voing around in a document and the two insertion point boxes are checked,
you can start typing where you stop with vo and if you are using the
arrows
to move in a document, you can pick up where you are with vo if you like.
same with the mouse and keyboard focus cursors. sometimes, I have needed
to
do a control click right where I am with vo and having the mouse cursor
follow me while I vo has been handy for that.
The manual provides some exercises which help demonstrate this and the
mix
and match.
I hope this helps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Lawlor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: cursor questions
Hi.
Thanks for the info on my basic questions email from all you guys. I
was looking in the voiceover utility under navigation and was
wondering about the following.
Currently it looks like the following options are all checked.
mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor. viceover cursor follows mouse
cursor. Should both of these be checked as in the way that I'm
thinking about it, both cursors would be following each other and that
sounds sort of confusing.
also, voicover follows keyboard focus is checked as is keyboard focus
follows keyboard focus.
It doesn't seem logical that both items in each of these pairings
should be checked but then I'm new at this.
Thanks for any clarification on this matter.
Scott
