The guidance for this goes: sometimes, you will need to turn cursor tracking off in order to get vo to accurately move to a specific location and then move the mouse cursor to that location or vise versa. I don't have specific examples but believe there is one in using Itunes.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Søren Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: cursor questions can you give me some examples on when you need to move a cursor to another? I have read about the keystrokes, but never used them. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:16 AM Subject: Re: cursor questions > there are times when you want to move one cursor to another and there are > keystrokes for doing it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Søren Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: cursor questions > > > Hi David. > > Thanks for explaining. Now I understand how these cursors works, and I > understand why I have problems in Tiger. It's great that you don't need to > route any cursors. It's just more easy to use. > I can't wait to get my new machine with Leopard!!! > Best regards: > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: cursor questions > > >> Looking at the navigation payne, there are 4 configurable items, one is >> mouse, one is keyboard focus one is insertion point and the last is vo >> cursor. If you have them set to follow one another, there is usually no >> need to route them because they are already routed. some of this >> functionality is broken in tiger though. >> >> If you are in text edit and you hide all the bars and rulers, you can use >> arrows to move around but you are also moving the insertion point which >> you >> may or may not want to do. >> >> The vo cursor is fine for people who have never seen a computer before or >> who are used to using a mac and the vo manual is aimed at using the mac >> not >> making it feel like windows or to put it another way, it is aimed at >> using >> vo and they leave the rest of using the mac pretty much up to other >> documentation or to others to teach. If you do read a using osx guide, >> it >> does tell you that you can use the arrows and such and looking through >> mac >> help, there are tons of examples of things you can do with your mac that >> coincidentally you can also do with your mac using vo in just about the >> same >> way except of course when it comes to using the mouse and even that is >> more >> possible than you might think with some practice. >> >> Folk, This is an entirely different platform as has been said before and >> I >> cannot stress enough, put away your jaws. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Søren Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby >> theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:00 PM >> Subject: Re: cursor questions >> >> >> Hi David. >> >> Are there 3 cursors? A keyboard cursor, mouse cursor and the VO cursor? >> or >> is the VO cursor and the mouse cursor the same? >> In which siturations do you need to move the keyboard cursor to the VO >> cursor, like route pc to Jaws cursor in Windows? I have been playing >> around >> with Tiger for one week now, and I have been able to use all programs >> without need to route any cursors. >> >> You said you can also use the arrow keys to navigate in documents. Is it >> a >> new feature in Leopard? I don't remember the VO manual for Tiger says you >> can use the arrow keys. It's only talking about navigateing with the VO >> keys... Or am I `wrong? Another anoying thing with this manual: It only >> says >> you can navigate in the Finder by useing the VO keys. It says nothing >> about >> the arrow keys, and it's the same in the menus. I find out very quickly >> that >> I could use the arrow keys most of the time, but before I tried a Mac, I >> thought it was very hard to learn to use the Mac, because they only talk >> about the VO keys. If they also said you can use the arrow keys, I think >> it >> would be easyer for newbies to understand how it works. For example: You >> don't need to hold down the VO keys for arrowing up and down in menus. I >> think it confuses many newbies. What do you all think? >> Best regards: >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby >> theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:53 PM >> Subject: Re: cursor questions >> >> >>> Scott, >>> >>> These combinations are not in conflict at all. It can be argued though >>> that >>> at least at times, you need for them not to track one another and this >>> is >>> why we can turn it off temporarily and turn it on again. It can also be >>> argued that the voice over cursor should never follow any other cursor >>> but >>> the cursors should always follow the voice over and mostly conversely, >>> the >>> other cursors should not follow the vo cursor. >>> >>> Now that I've thoroughly confused you, here's how it works. If you are >>> voing around in a document and the two insertion point boxes are >>> checked, >>> you can start typing where you stop with vo and if you are using the >>> arrows >>> to move in a document, you can pick up where you are with vo if you >>> like. >>> >>> same with the mouse and keyboard focus cursors. sometimes, I have needed >>> to >>> do a control click right where I am with vo and having the mouse cursor >>> follow me while I vo has been handy for that. >>> >>> The manual provides some exercises which help demonstrate this and the >>> mix >>> and match. >>> >>> I hope this helps. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Lawlor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X >>> by >>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:20 AM >>> Subject: cursor questions >>> >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Thanks for the info on my basic questions email from all you guys. I >>> was looking in the voiceover utility under navigation and was >>> wondering about the following. >>> Currently it looks like the following options are all checked. >>> >>> mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor. viceover cursor follows mouse >>> cursor. Should both of these be checked as in the way that I'm >>> thinking about it, both cursors would be following each other and that >>> sounds sort of confusing. >>> >>> also, voicover follows keyboard focus is checked as is keyboard focus >>> follows keyboard focus. >>> >>> It doesn't seem logical that both items in each of these pairings >>> should be checked but then I'm new at this. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any clarification on this matter. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
