there are times when you want to move one cursor to another and there are keystrokes for doing it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Søren Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: Re: cursor questions Hi David. Thanks for explaining. Now I understand how these cursors works, and I understand why I have problems in Tiger. It's great that you don't need to route any cursors. It's just more easy to use. I can't wait to get my new machine with Leopard!!! Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Re: cursor questions > Looking at the navigation payne, there are 4 configurable items, one is > mouse, one is keyboard focus one is insertion point and the last is vo > cursor. If you have them set to follow one another, there is usually no > need to route them because they are already routed. some of this > functionality is broken in tiger though. > > If you are in text edit and you hide all the bars and rulers, you can use > arrows to move around but you are also moving the insertion point which > you > may or may not want to do. > > The vo cursor is fine for people who have never seen a computer before or > who are used to using a mac and the vo manual is aimed at using the mac > not > making it feel like windows or to put it another way, it is aimed at using > vo and they leave the rest of using the mac pretty much up to other > documentation or to others to teach. If you do read a using osx guide, it > does tell you that you can use the arrows and such and looking through mac > help, there are tons of examples of things you can do with your mac that > coincidentally you can also do with your mac using vo in just about the > same > way except of course when it comes to using the mouse and even that is > more > possible than you might think with some practice. > > Folk, This is an entirely different platform as has been said before and > I > cannot stress enough, put away your jaws. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Søren Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: cursor questions > > > Hi David. > > Are there 3 cursors? A keyboard cursor, mouse cursor and the VO cursor? or > is the VO cursor and the mouse cursor the same? > In which siturations do you need to move the keyboard cursor to the VO > cursor, like route pc to Jaws cursor in Windows? I have been playing > around > with Tiger for one week now, and I have been able to use all programs > without need to route any cursors. > > You said you can also use the arrow keys to navigate in documents. Is it a > new feature in Leopard? I don't remember the VO manual for Tiger says you > can use the arrow keys. It's only talking about navigateing with the VO > keys... Or am I `wrong? Another anoying thing with this manual: It only > says > you can navigate in the Finder by useing the VO keys. It says nothing > about > the arrow keys, and it's the same in the menus. I find out very quickly > that > I could use the arrow keys most of the time, but before I tried a Mac, I > thought it was very hard to learn to use the Mac, because they only talk > about the VO keys. If they also said you can use the arrow keys, I think > it > would be easyer for newbies to understand how it works. For example: You > don't need to hold down the VO keys for arrowing up and down in menus. I > think it confuses many newbies. What do you all think? > Best regards: > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: cursor questions > > >> Scott, >> >> These combinations are not in conflict at all. It can be argued though >> that >> at least at times, you need for them not to track one another and this is >> why we can turn it off temporarily and turn it on again. It can also be >> argued that the voice over cursor should never follow any other cursor >> but >> the cursors should always follow the voice over and mostly conversely, >> the >> other cursors should not follow the vo cursor. >> >> Now that I've thoroughly confused you, here's how it works. If you are >> voing around in a document and the two insertion point boxes are checked, >> you can start typing where you stop with vo and if you are using the >> arrows >> to move in a document, you can pick up where you are with vo if you like. >> >> same with the mouse and keyboard focus cursors. sometimes, I have needed >> to >> do a control click right where I am with vo and having the mouse cursor >> follow me while I vo has been handy for that. >> >> The manual provides some exercises which help demonstrate this and the >> mix >> and match. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Lawlor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by >> theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:20 AM >> Subject: cursor questions >> >> >> Hi. >> >> Thanks for the info on my basic questions email from all you guys. I >> was looking in the voiceover utility under navigation and was >> wondering about the following. >> Currently it looks like the following options are all checked. >> >> mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor. viceover cursor follows mouse >> cursor. Should both of these be checked as in the way that I'm >> thinking about it, both cursors would be following each other and that >> sounds sort of confusing. >> >> also, voicover follows keyboard focus is checked as is keyboard focus >> follows keyboard focus. >> >> It doesn't seem logical that both items in each of these pairings >> should be checked but then I'm new at this. >> >> >> Thanks for any clarification on this matter. >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> > > > >
