I had this very conversation with a counselor at our state agency for the blind, and I even went as far as to show her what Leopard will do with regard to braille, and though she wouldn't admit it to her boss, I could tell she was thoroughly impressed with the demonstration. If she becomes the new director of the Department for the Blind, I will bend her ear until she "gets it." Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

Yep totally agree Josh, and Apple has obviously put a lot more work into VoiceOver than Microsoft has into Narrator. About the only thing they changed about it in hte release of Vista, was the voice. And the fact that Apple has included Braille support in Leopard, really shows that they are committed to long-term development of VoiceOver

On 17-Jan-08, at 8:07 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:

On 17 Jan, 2008, at 4:53 PM, John covici wrote:
But Voiceover has the same problem as Narrator has, although somewhat
better, it is unusable unless the app uses MAC standard as it were,
and inevitably some apps won't do that for whatever reason. The only
thing that saves the day a bit is that more mac apps do the standard
thing than windows ones.

Apple plays up compatibility, particularly in accessibility, and provides more robust tools to make apps accesible. I think Apple has been far more pro-active about access standards than Microsoft has. Even if apps followed Microsoft access standards, Narrator would still be mostly useless. Comparing Narrator to VoiceOver is like comparing cement to chocolate cake.


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