To say that VoiceOver is useless is open to interpretation and skill level. For example, I use VoiceOver for practically all my every-day applications, including conducting my home businesses, and have no problem taking of business. And when cross-platform games are released, I will use the Mac for game playing as well. I have said many times, there are many list members who use VoiceOver for everyting under the sun, and are successful. So to say that VoiceOver is useless--for whom? Please elaborate as to why you think VoiceOver is useless. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:

On 17 Jan, 2008, at 4:53 PM, John covici wrote:
But Voiceover has the same problem as Narrator has, although somewhat
better, it is unusable unless the app uses MAC standard as it were,
and inevitably some apps won't do that for whatever reason.  The only
thing that saves the day a bit is that more mac apps do the standard
thing than windows ones.

Apple plays up compatibility, particularly in accessibility, and provides more robust tools to make apps accesible. I think Apple has been far more pro-active about access standards than Microsoft has. Even if apps followed Microsoft access standards, Narrator would still be mostly useless. Comparing Narrator to VoiceOver is like comparing cement to chocolate cake.


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