Dear Cheryl, I've found your posts to this list from the beginning to be invariably helpful, informed, and kind -- the pointers on list netiquette as well as technical advice, and the experiences that you've shared about devices and services. I was surprised by the replies you received to your post of what I thought was a reasonable request. I would personally miss your presence on this list, and I think you've been very helpful to newcomers to VoiceOver. I do understand your frustration and desire to find another solution, but I think it would be a terrible shame to lose your participation. I've assumed that the large traffic on this list has made it difficult for moderators to step in, but by the same token it has a higher impact for new list members who read, but who generally do not post. I read this list for several months before my first post; it was overwhelming.
I'd hope that you would at least be able to continue participation by reading the Mail Archives site: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/ This may be viewed either by thread (the default) or by date for the last thousand (I think) posts. It's also searchable according to the rules of their FAQ http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#search although recently I've had some problems with complex searches. This is the site I read when I've been away from mail and am trying to catch up. Unlike the macvisionaries site, it appears to be complete. Do you know, I think you're the only person on this list, other than myself, who has noticed and commented on when the main macvisionaries archives started to become incomplete? With all best wishes, Esther On Feb 24, 2008, at 07:29AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: >Just thought I'd let everybody know I'm leaving the list. > >It's of no practical value to go no mail, as the archives for some reason are >never complete or anywhere near complete any more. I just went to >macvisionaries and could only access emails into February 2nd for this month. >I don't know; maybe more can be accessed by using the direct piper mail link >that we sometimes use for searching but it isn't worth the extra work to me at >this point. The Macvoiceover list is now big enough that I feel I can be >perfectly content with the support from that list. > >I do appreciate and am not overlooking the moderator's post on the subject of >appropriate language. However, since the majority of this list either approove >such use, are indifferent to it, or don't care to speak up and be ridiculed or >chastised, I have to assume that language commonly appropriate for all isn't >really of major importance on this list and I'd just as soon not be involved. >I also did notice that except for David's very kind post and one I received >privately which was appreciated, not a word was spoken about the derrogatory >posts I received onlist from Will just because I asked that such language be >avoided. I'm certinly not going to go into a meltdown or be overly offended by >a few nasty angry posts from one person, but I have to assume that abusive >reactions to other posters is more acceptable than any objection to the use >of profanity. As for the comments about my not imposing my dictionary on >others, I do have the right to determine what comes into my home via the >internet or otherwise. So, while many of you are delightful and helpful >people, I prefer to stick with lists where people are in agreement that >certain language isn't appropriate or necessary in emails and/or where I know >such usage will be stopped immediately if it accidentally occurs. >I am still amazed at the reaction by the sender of the questionable message >and others on this list just because I asked that the subject line be changed >and then asked a bit more firmly because of the email server filter response I >received. Had I made an insulting remark about the person who sent the email >or launched into a lecture about profanity, I could understand it, but I did >neither of those things. I also recall that a few months ago there was much >uproar on this list because some listers thought others were being too harsh >in their wording of complaints about the areas of concern with Macvoiceover; >interesting that remarks about apple should come under more strict censorship >than the use of language that might be offensive to some. > >At any rate, I didn't want to leave the list immediately as a kind of >knee-jerk reaction. But I see no reason why I should even have to consider >ways to filter incoming email from a Mac-related list, and the unuseable state >of the archives really leaves me with no reason to linger. > >thanks to all those who have been of help and whose posts I have enjoyed while >on this list!!! > > > > >Cheryl >
