Cheryl, let me also chime in here and say that I too, agree with
your simple request however, I wasn't about to respond so as not to
propagate said material. I consider that good netiquette.
Might I suggest, rather than leaving, sending a note along to the
mods in reference to this, if you haven't already?…
<smile> As you already know, I take issue with one liner emails,
so I certainly understand not only taking issue with pointless subject
lines, but if you also find them offensive, and as they are afterall,
supposedly prohibited by the moderation, then your note made perfect
sense.
I too was pretty surprised at the reactions and that the mods
didn't say anything. I personally don't have a problem with the
language aspects however, that, having been said, I'm all about
respecting a list's guidelines, as they're there for a reason. A list
such as this one is meant to be a forum for many different types of
people, and therefore, should give all a place where they can feel
comfortable.
Have a terrific night and hope to see you stay on if you so choose.
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Esther wrote:
Dear Cheryl,
I've found your posts to this list from the beginning to be invariably
helpful, informed, and kind -- the pointers on list netiquette as well
as technical advice, and the experiences that you've shared about
devices and services. I was surprised by the replies you received
to your post of what I thought was a reasonable request. I would
personally miss your presence on this list, and I think you've been
very helpful to newcomers to VoiceOver. I do understand your
frustration and desire to find another solution, but I think it would
be a terrible shame to lose your participation. I've assumed that
the large traffic on this list has made it difficult for moderators to
step in, but by the same token it has a higher impact for new list
members who read, but who generally do not post. I read this list
for several months before my first post; it was overwhelming.
I'd hope that you would at least be able to continue participation
by reading the Mail Archives site:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/
This may be viewed either by thread (the default) or by date for the
last thousand (I think) posts. It's also searchable according to the
rules of their FAQ
http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#search
although recently I've had some problems with complex searches.
This is the site I read when I've been away from mail and am
trying to catch up. Unlike the macvisionaries site, it appears to be
complete.
Do you know, I think you're the only person on this list, other than
myself, who has noticed and commented on when the main
macvisionaries archives started to become incomplete?
With all best wishes,
Esther
On Feb 24, 2008, at 07:29AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
Just thought I'd let everybody know I'm leaving the list.
It's of no practical value to go no mail, as the archives for some
reason are never complete or anywhere near complete any more. I
just went to macvisionaries and could only access emails into
February 2nd for this month. I don't know; maybe more can be
accessed by using the direct piper mail link that we sometimes use
for searching but it isn't worth the extra work to me at this
point. The Macvoiceover list is now big enough that I feel I can be
perfectly content with the support from that list.
I do appreciate and am not overlooking the moderator's post on the
subject of appropriate language. However, since the majority of
this list either approove such use, are indifferent to it, or don't
care to speak up and be ridiculed or chastised, I have to assume
that language commonly appropriate for all isn't really of major
importance on this list and I'd just as soon not be involved. I
also did notice that except for David's very kind post and one I
received privately which was appreciated, not a word was spoken
about the derrogatory posts I received onlist from Will just
because I asked that such language be avoided. I'm certinly not
going to go into a meltdown or be overly offended by a few nasty
angry posts from one person, but I have to assume that abusive
reactions to other posters is more acceptable than any objection to
the use of profanity. As for the comments about my not imposing my
dictionary on others, I do have the right to determine what comes
into my home via the internet or otherwise. So, while many of you
are delightful and helpful people, I prefer to stick with lists
where people are in agreement that certain language isn't
appropriate or necessary in emails and/or where I know such usage
will be stopped immediately if it accidentally occurs.
I am still amazed at the reaction by the sender of the questionable
message and others on this list just because I asked that the
subject line be changed and then asked a bit more firmly because of
the email server filter response I received. Had I made an
insulting remark about the person who sent the email or launched
into a lecture about profanity, I could understand it, but I did
neither of those things. I also recall that a few months ago there
was much uproar on this list because some listers thought others
were being too harsh in their wording of complaints about the areas
of concern with Macvoiceover; interesting that remarks about apple
should come under more strict censorship than the use of language
that might be offensive to some.
At any rate, I didn't want to leave the list immediately as a kind
of knee-jerk reaction. But I see no reason why I should even have
to consider ways to filter incoming email from a Mac-related list,
and the unuseable state of the archives really leaves me with no
reason to linger.
thanks to all those who have been of help and whose posts I have
enjoyed while on this list!!!
Cheryl
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