Could you record this and post it to the list? Thanks,
Pete -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jesus hernandez Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:17 AM To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 available hello earle if there was a way for me to contact you on skype or something i can give you a demo of how the mac works. On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Earle Harrison wrote: > Hi all, > > I have to admit, as somebody who is considering making the switch, I'm > a bit concerned that the person participating in the dueling OS > presentation was not able to carry out even one of the tasks. > > Knowing that I am addressing experienced Mac users on this list, I > would really appreciate some feedback on the accuracy of this > representation of the Mac. What is the learning curve like and are > there concepts that carry over from Windows? Is this one of those > situations where you simply need to be a highly technical person to > grasp the concepts in the presentation? > > > Best regards, > > Earle Harrison > President - Handy Tech North America > Phone: 651-636-5184 > Fax: 866-347-8249 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web site: http://www.handytech.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:09 AM > To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X > by the blind > Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 > available > > It wasn't a set-up. I am on the Programming Blind list, and Jamal > was asking for questions / tasks that people would like to see > performed. He also asked me what I myself love about the Mac and find > easy to do with it. > > He'd already chosen the presenters at that point. > > Smiles, > > CQ :) > > > On Mar 20, 2008, at 7:25 PM, vashaun jones wrote: > >> It depends on who was doing the choosing. It sounds like it was a >> setup to me. >> On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:14 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: >> >>> This, as much as I've been able to hear, is interesting. But I have >>> a question. Maybe I missed it or misunderstood, but it seemed like >>> the two non-apple presenters were using Firefox. Why didn't the Mac >>> presenter have the option of using Firefox as well? From what I >>> understand there is a version of Firefox for Mac. Isn't it >>> accessable? >>> Also, I'm not sure it was quite fare that the linux presenter was >>> also a developer for the screen reader he was using, seems like he'd >>> have an advantage, and come to think of it wasn't the other guy a >>> beta tester for JAWS? It didn't seem like the Mac presenter really >>> had any sort of tie to Mac or VoiceOver development. >>> >>> I wonder how this would of played out if they had just picked three >>> random people, like a Windows/JAWS or Windoweyes user, a VoiceOver >>> user and a... Forgive me I forget what the other screen access linux >>> thing was, user off the street as it were and had them do these >>> tasks? I think it would of been more "real world" if they just >>> picked avrage every day run of the mill computer users. But this is >>> just my thoughts... >>> >>> What do you all think? >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >>> Xby theblind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:16 AM >>> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating >>> SystemsatCSUN2008 available >>> >>> >>>> This one had nothing to do with apple and should have been at least >>>> scoped out before hand. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Store" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>> OS X by the blind" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:47 AM >>>> Subject: RE: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems >>>> atCSUN2008 >>>> available >>>> >>>> >>>> Some of you should see if you can gain Apple's interest in >>>> presenting at these types of specialized conferences. Nothing >>>> builds interest like a smooth presentation of a new system, and few >>>> things can kill it as quickly as a rough one. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris >>>> Blouch >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:28 AM >>>> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >>>> X by the blind >>>> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at >>>> CSUN2008 >>>> available >>>> >>>> >>>> I actually attended this session and bailed out part way through. >>>> It was >>>> just too painful to hear the Mac guy struggle along. The >>>> assumption was >>>> that each platform operator was very familiar with their >>>> technology and >>>> the Apple guy obviously was not. I know the Jaws guy is an expert >>>> and >>>> the Orca guy was one of the developers of that screen reader. >>>> When I >>>> left the Apple guy was still trying to figure out how to launch >>>> Safari. >>>> He was trying to do it by searching his hard drive with >>>> Spotlight. I >>>> guess that would work but I think it's far easier to pull up the >>>> application list with Apple-shift-A, type S A to get to Safari and >>>> then >>>> Apple-O to open it. These aren't even Voiceover related commands. >>>> I did >>>> ping the Apple guy who was outside the room as I left about how >>>> sad the >>>> VO showing was in there. He said he had talked to the presenter >>>> (who >>>> claimed to know several platforms) and the presenter assured him >>>> he was >>>> pretty familiar. He also thought that VO and the Mac was a strong >>>> enough >>>> product that it would still succeed. >>>> >>>> A nice positive viewpoint, but for anyone listening to the >>>> presenter >>>> struggle to do the most basic things it really sounded bad. On a >>>> positive note I also went to the Apple VoiceOver intro and heard a >>>> lot >>>> of positive feedback from folks. It was a bit errie to hear 50 >>>> voiceover >>>> sessions in a room all reading stuff at the same time since the >>>> headphones had not arrived yet. >>>> >>>> I also got to meet Josh De Lioncourt in person, who was there as an >>>> invited expert to help answer questions. That would make anybody's >>>> day :) >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> I have listened to the discussion. It was sort of painful to >>>>> listen >>>>> to on the mac side of things. In the past I have been critical >>>>> of the >>>>> apple OS mainly when leopard came out, but mistakes made here >>>>> could >>>>> easily have been fixed more effectively than they were. I guess >>>>> all I >>>>> can say here is that it hurts to think that other blind users >>>>> struggle >>>>> this much with their computers. >>>>> >>>>> Please tell me it's not like this with everyone here. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Justin Harford >>>>> >>>>> Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell >>>>> and >>>>> looked awhile, pondering his voyage >>>>> >>>>> John Milton >>>>> Paradise Lost >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:39 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:17 PM >>>>>> Subject: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN >>>>>> 2008 >>>>>> available >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Forwarded Message----- >>>>>> From: Mika Pyyhkala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:02 PM >>>>>> To: Jamal Mazrui >>>>>> Subject: CSUN 2008 Conference MP3 Presentation, Dueling Operating >>>>>> Systems, >>>>>> BLV-1002 >>>>>> >>>>>> Please find a link below to the blog text and audio for this >>>>>> presentation. >>>>>> The file is 1 hour and 52 minutes long, and about 52MB in size: >>>>>> http://dcnightout.com/?p=137 >>>>>> >>>>>> I can add additional text or links to the blog entry if you >>>>>> like, e.g. >>>>>> to the products used, to the presenters, other related entities, >>>>>> or >>>>>> related resources. >>>>>> >>>>>> The recording was made using an Olympus DS50 recorder, and has >>>>>> been >>>>>> saved >>>>>> as a mono MP3 file. I have reviewed the beginning and select >>>>>> parts >>>>>> of the >>>>>> recording but have not reviewed the entire contents. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the presentation, an Apple Macintosh Voiceover, Orca Linux, >>>>>> and Jaws >>>>>> For Windows user complete identical tasks using their assistive >>>>>> and >>>>>> mainstream technologies. The presentation highlights the >>>>>> strengths and >>>>>> weaknesses of each operating system, related assistive >>>>>> technologies, and >>>>>> individual user experiences. >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoy, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mika >>>>>> Direct Link To MP3: >>>>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/dcnightout/DCNO_14MAR2008.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> UACCESS-L mailing list >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> http://trace.wisc.edu:8080/mailman/listinfo/uaccess-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended for the sole use of >>>> the >>>> individual to whom it is addressed. >>>> The information contained herein is confidential, proprietary, >>>> privileged or >>>> otherwise prohibited by law >>>> from disclosure. 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