Hi all, I have to admit, as somebody who is considering making the switch, I'm a bit concerned that the person participating in the dueling OS presentation was not able to carry out even one of the tasks.
Knowing that I am addressing experienced Mac users on this list, I would really appreciate some feedback on the accuracy of this representation of the Mac. What is the learning curve like and are there concepts that carry over from Windows? Is this one of those situations where you simply need to be a highly technical person to grasp the concepts in the presentation? Best regards, Earle Harrison President - Handy Tech North America Phone: 651-636-5184 Fax: 866-347-8249 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.handytech.us -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:09 AM To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 available It wasn't a set-up. I am on the Programming Blind list, and Jamal was asking for questions / tasks that people would like to see performed. He also asked me what I myself love about the Mac and find easy to do with it. He'd already chosen the presenters at that point. Smiles, CQ :) On Mar 20, 2008, at 7:25 PM, vashaun jones wrote: > It depends on who was doing the choosing. It sounds like it was a > setup to me. > On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:14 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: > >> This, as much as I've been able to hear, is interesting. But I >> have a question. Maybe I missed it or misunderstood, but it seemed >> like the two non-apple presenters were using Firefox. Why didn't >> the Mac presenter have the option of using Firefox as well? From >> what I understand there is a version of Firefox for Mac. Isn't it >> accessable? >> Also, I'm not sure it was quite fare that the linux presenter was >> also a developer for the screen reader he was using, seems like >> he'd have an advantage, and come to think of it wasn't the other >> guy a beta tester for JAWS? It didn't seem like the Mac presenter >> really had any sort of tie to Mac or VoiceOver development. >> >> I wonder how this would of played out if they had just picked three >> random people, like a Windows/JAWS or Windoweyes user, a VoiceOver >> user and a... Forgive me I forget what the other screen access >> linux thing was, user off the street as it were and had them do >> these tasks? I think it would of been more "real world" if they >> just picked avrage every day run of the mill computer users. But >> this is just my thoughts... >> >> What do you all think? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >> OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating >> SystemsatCSUN2008 available >> >> >>> This one had nothing to do with apple and should have been at >>> least scoped >>> out before hand. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Store" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>> OS X by >>> the blind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:47 AM >>> Subject: RE: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems >>> atCSUN2008 >>> available >>> >>> >>> Some of you should see if you can gain Apple's interest in >>> presenting at >>> these types of specialized conferences. Nothing builds interest >>> like a >>> smooth presentation of a new system, and few things can kill it as >>> quickly >>> as a rough one. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:28 AM >>> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>> OS X by >>> the blind >>> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at >>> CSUN2008 >>> available >>> >>> >>> I actually attended this session and bailed out part way through. >>> It was >>> just too painful to hear the Mac guy struggle along. The >>> assumption was >>> that each platform operator was very familiar with their >>> technology and >>> the Apple guy obviously was not. I know the Jaws guy is an expert >>> and >>> the Orca guy was one of the developers of that screen reader. When I >>> left the Apple guy was still trying to figure out how to launch >>> Safari. >>> He was trying to do it by searching his hard drive with Spotlight. I >>> guess that would work but I think it's far easier to pull up the >>> application list with Apple-shift-A, type S A to get to Safari and >>> then >>> Apple-O to open it. These aren't even Voiceover related commands. >>> I did >>> ping the Apple guy who was outside the room as I left about how >>> sad the >>> VO showing was in there. He said he had talked to the presenter (who >>> claimed to know several platforms) and the presenter assured him >>> he was >>> pretty familiar. He also thought that VO and the Mac was a strong >>> enough >>> product that it would still succeed. >>> >>> A nice positive viewpoint, but for anyone listening to the presenter >>> struggle to do the most basic things it really sounded bad. On a >>> positive note I also went to the Apple VoiceOver intro and heard a >>> lot >>> of positive feedback from folks. It was a bit errie to hear 50 >>> voiceover >>> sessions in a room all reading stuff at the same time since the >>> headphones had not arrived yet. >>> >>> I also got to meet Josh De Lioncourt in person, who was there as an >>> invited expert to help answer questions. That would make anybody's >>> day :) >>> >>> CB >>> >>> Justin Harford wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I have listened to the discussion. It was sort of painful to >>>> listen >>>> to on the mac side of things. In the past I have been critical >>>> of the >>>> apple OS mainly when leopard came out, but mistakes made here could >>>> easily have been fixed more effectively than they were. I guess >>>> all I >>>> can say here is that it hurts to think that other blind users >>>> struggle >>>> this much with their computers. >>>> >>>> Please tell me it's not like this with everyone here. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Justin Harford >>>> >>>> Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell >>>> and >>>> looked awhile, pondering his voyage >>>> >>>> John Milton >>>> Paradise Lost >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:39 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:17 PM >>>>> Subject: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN >>>>> 2008 >>>>> available >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Forwarded Message----- >>>>> From: Mika Pyyhkala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:02 PM >>>>> To: Jamal Mazrui >>>>> Subject: CSUN 2008 Conference MP3 Presentation, Dueling Operating >>>>> Systems, >>>>> BLV-1002 >>>>> >>>>> Please find a link below to the blog text and audio for this >>>>> presentation. >>>>> The file is 1 hour and 52 minutes long, and about 52MB in size: >>>>> http://dcnightout.com/?p=137 >>>>> >>>>> I can add additional text or links to the blog entry if you >>>>> like, e.g. >>>>> to the products used, to the presenters, other related entities, >>>>> or >>>>> related resources. >>>>> >>>>> The recording was made using an Olympus DS50 recorder, and has >>>>> been >>>>> saved >>>>> as a mono MP3 file. I have reviewed the beginning and select >>>>> parts >>>>> of the >>>>> recording but have not reviewed the entire contents. >>>>> >>>>> In the presentation, an Apple Macintosh Voiceover, Orca Linux, >>>>> and Jaws >>>>> For Windows user complete identical tasks using their assistive >>>>> and >>>>> mainstream technologies. The presentation highlights the >>>>> strengths and >>>>> weaknesses of each operating system, related assistive >>>>> technologies, and >>>>> individual user experiences. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy, >>>>> >>>>> Mika >>>>> Direct Link To MP3: >>>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/dcnightout/DCNO_14MAR2008.mp3 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> UACCESS-L mailing list >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> http://trace.wisc.edu:8080/mailman/listinfo/uaccess-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended for the sole use of >>> the >>> individual to whom it is addressed. >>> The information contained herein is confidential, proprietary, >>> privileged or >>> otherwise prohibited by law >>> from disclosure. If you have received this email in error, please >>> destroy >>> the message immediately and >>> notify the sender by email. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn
