Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 available

[vashaun jones]

It's not hard at all. I am an 11 year user of Windows and various  
screen readers. I learned the Mac in about a week or so. I found that  
it's more stable and it is a great choice for most everything that  
needs to be done. I love the Mac and Voice Over. On Mar 22, 2008, at  
10:41 AM, Earle Harrison wrote:

Hi all,
I have to admit, as somebody who is considering making the switch,  
I'm a bit
concerned that the person participating in the dueling OS  
presentation was
not able to carry out even one of the tasks.

Knowing that I am addressing experienced Mac users on this list, I  
would
really appreciate some feedback on the accuracy of this  
representation of
the Mac.  What is the learning curve like and are there concepts  
that carry
over from Windows?  Is this one of those situations where you simply  
need to
be a highly technical person to grasp the concepts in the  
presentation?


Best regards,

Earle Harrison
President - Handy Tech North America
Phone:  651-636-5184
Fax:  866-347-8249
E-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web site:  http://www.handytech.us


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Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:09 AM
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X by the
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  It wasn't a set-up.  I am on the Programming Blind list, and Jamal
was asking for questions / tasks that people would like to see
performed.  He also asked me what I myself love about the Mac and find
easy to do with it.

  He'd already chosen the presenters at that point.

Smiles,

CQ  :)


On Mar 20, 2008, at 7:25 PM, vashaun jones wrote:

It depends on who was doing the choosing. It sounds like it was a
setup to me.
On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:14 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote:

This, as much as I've been able to hear, is interesting.  But I
have a question.  Maybe I missed it or misunderstood, but it seemed
like the two non-apple presenters were using Firefox.  Why didn't
the Mac presenter have the option of using Firefox as well?  From
what I understand there is a version of Firefox for Mac.  Isn't it
accessable?
Also, I'm not sure it was quite  fare that the linux presenter was
also a developer for the screen reader he was using, seems like
he'd have an advantage, and come to think of it wasn't the other
guy a beta tester for JAWS?  It didn't seem like the Mac presenter
really had any sort of tie to Mac or VoiceOver development.

I wonder how this would of played out if they had just picked three
random people, like a Windows/JAWS or Windoweyes user, a VoiceOver
user and a... Forgive me I forget what the other screen access
linux thing was, user off the street as it were and had them do
these tasks?  I think it would of been more "real world" if they
just picked avrage every day run of the mill computer users.  But
this is just my thoughts...

What do you all think?
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This one had nothing to do with apple and should have been at
least scoped
out before hand.

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Some of you should see if you can gain Apple's interest in
presenting at
these types of specialized conferences.  Nothing builds interest
like a
smooth presentation of a new system, and few things can kill it as
quickly
as a rough one.

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I actually attended this session and bailed out part way through.
It was
just too painful to hear the Mac guy struggle along. The
assumption was
that each platform operator was very familiar with their
technology and
the Apple guy obviously was not. I know the Jaws guy is an expert
and
the Orca guy was one of the developers of that screen reader.  
When I
left the Apple guy was still trying to figure out how to launch
Safari.
He was trying to do it by searching his hard drive with  
Spotlight. I
guess that would work but I think it's far easier to pull up the
application list with Apple-shift-A, type S A to get to Safari and
then
Apple-O to open it. These aren't even Voiceover related commands.
I did
ping the Apple guy who was outside the room as I left about how
sad the
VO showing was in there. He said he had talked to the presenter  
(who
claimed to know several platforms) and the presenter assured him
he was
pretty familiar. He also thought that VO and the Mac was a strong
enough
product that it would still succeed.

A nice positive viewpoint, but for anyone listening to the  
presenter
struggle to do the most basic things it really sounded bad. On a
positive note I also went to the Apple VoiceOver intro and heard a
lot
of positive feedback from folks. It was a bit errie to hear 50
voiceover
sessions in a room all reading stuff at the same time since the
headphones had not arrived yet.

I also got to meet Josh De Lioncourt in person, who was there as an
invited expert to help answer questions. That would make anybody's
day :)

CB

Justin Harford wrote:
Hello

I have listened to the discussion.  It was sort of painful to
listen
to on the mac side of things.  In the past I have been critical
of the
apple OS mainly when leopard came out, but mistakes made here  
could
easily have been fixed more effectively than they were.  I guess
all I
can say here is that it hurts to think that other blind users
struggle
this much with their computers.

Please tell me it's not like this with everyone here.

Regards
Justin Harford

Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell
and
looked awhile, pondering his voyage

John Milton
Paradise Lost

On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:39 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

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-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Mika Pyyhkala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:02 PM
To: Jamal Mazrui
Subject: CSUN 2008 Conference MP3 Presentation, Dueling Operating
Systems,
BLV-1002

Please find a link below to the blog text and audio for this
presentation.
The file is 1 hour and 52 minutes long, and about 52MB in size:
http://dcnightout.com/?p=137

I can add additional text or links to the blog entry if you
like, e.g.
to the products used, to the presenters, other related entities,
or
related resources.

The recording was made using an Olympus DS50 recorder, and has
been
saved
as a mono MP3 file.  I have reviewed the beginning and select
parts
of the
recording but have not reviewed the entire contents.

In the presentation, an Apple Macintosh Voiceover, Orca Linux,
and Jaws
For Windows user complete identical tasks using their assistive
and
mainstream technologies.  The presentation highlights the
strengths and
weaknesses of each operating system, related assistive
technologies, and
individual user experiences.

Enjoy,

Mika
Direct Link To MP3:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/dcnightout/DCNO_14MAR2008.mp3

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