has all been cone.
On 22-Mar-08, at 1:11 PM, Earle Harrison wrote:
Task 1: Subscribe to a blog called blind confidential
Task 2. Demonstrate how to create a document and then center, bold,
underline and italicize text
Task 3 carry out a find and replace.
Best regards,
Earle Harrison
President - Handy Tech North America
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I don't have time to do it myself but if someone could go through the
audio and tell me what the tasks were in the presentation at CSUN I
will produce a movie of my computer doing those things in VoiceOver.
Greg Kearney
535 S. Jackson St.
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On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
I thought it was funny how the linux guy was evading the questions
that people were throwing at him. The fact of the matter is that he
was working with a broken OS, which he slightly hinted at. Don't
those linux people have ways to downgrade?
Regards
Justin Harford
Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell and
looked awhile, pondering his voyage
John Milton
Paradise Lost
On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
I have no problem with expert users showing me how its done, or
novice users showing me how hard it is to get going. Just don't mix
the two. I think they said that Janina Sajka, Chair of Open A11y
http://accessibility.linux-foundation.org/a11yspecs/kbd/kafs-
rc3.html
was supposed to be the Orca user
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca_%28assistive_technology%29
but they scheduled her a11y presentation at the same time as the
dueling OS stuff and, given the choice, she bowed out. So the Orca
engineer was a last-minute substitute. While the Jaws guy may have
been a beta tester, he wasn't a developer so he didn't have special
insights that an ordinary user wouldn't have. He just knew his tool
really really well.
The Mac guy seemed to be a jack of all trades user. More of a
beginner on voiceover. Not a bad thing, but you put him in with the
other two guys and it sounded like VO was unusable.
CB
Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote:
This, as much as I've been able to hear, is interesting. But I
have a question. Maybe I missed it or misunderstood, but it
seemed like the two non-apple presenters were using Firefox. Why
didn't the Mac presenter have the option of using Firefox as
well? From what I understand there is a version of Firefox for
Mac. Isn't it accessable?
Also, I'm not sure it was quite fare that the linux presenter was
also a developer for the screen reader he was using, seems like
he'd have an advantage, and come to think of it wasn't the other
guy a beta tester for JAWS? It didn't seem like the Mac presenter
really had any sort of tie to Mac or VoiceOver development.
I wonder how this would of played out if they had just picked
three random people, like a Windows/JAWS or Windoweyes user, a
VoiceOver user and a... Forgive me I forget what the other screen
access linux thing was, user off the street as it were and had
them do these tasks? I think it would of been more "real world"
if they just picked avrage every day run of the mill computer
users. But this is just my thoughts...
What do you all think?
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This one had nothing to do with apple and should have been at
least scoped
out before hand.
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:47 AM
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atCSUN2008
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Some of you should see if you can gain Apple's interest in
presenting at
these types of specialized conferences. Nothing builds interest
like a
smooth presentation of a new system, and few things can kill it
as quickly
as a rough one.
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at
CSUN2008
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I actually attended this session and bailed out part way through.
It was
just too painful to hear the Mac guy struggle along. The
assumption was
that each platform operator was very familiar with their
technology and
the Apple guy obviously was not. I know the Jaws guy is an expert
and
the Orca guy was one of the developers of that screen reader.
When I
left the Apple guy was still trying to figure out how to launch
Safari.
He was trying to do it by searching his hard drive with
Spotlight. I
guess that would work but I think it's far easier to pull up the
application list with Apple-shift-A, type S A to get to Safari
and then
Apple-O to open it. These aren't even Voiceover related commands.
I did
ping the Apple guy who was outside the room as I left about how
sad the
VO showing was in there. He said he had talked to the presenter
(who
claimed to know several platforms) and the presenter assured him
he was
pretty familiar. He also thought that VO and the Mac was a strong
enough
product that it would still succeed.
A nice positive viewpoint, but for anyone listening to the
presenter
struggle to do the most basic things it really sounded bad. On a
positive note I also went to the Apple VoiceOver intro and heard
a lot
of positive feedback from folks. It was a bit errie to hear 50
voiceover
sessions in a room all reading stuff at the same time since the
headphones had not arrived yet.
I also got to meet Josh De Lioncourt in person, who was there as
an
invited expert to help answer questions. That would make
anybody's day :)
CB
Justin Harford wrote:
Hello
I have listened to the discussion. It was sort of painful to
listen
to on the mac side of things. In the past I have been critical
of the
apple OS mainly when leopard came out, but mistakes made here
could
easily have been fixed more effectively than they were. I guess
all I
can say here is that it hurts to think that other blind users
struggle
this much with their computers.
Please tell me it's not like this with everyone here.
Regards
Justin Harford
Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell
and
looked awhile, pondering his voyage
John Milton
Paradise Lost
On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:39 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
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-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Mika Pyyhkala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:02 PM
To: Jamal Mazrui
Subject: CSUN 2008 Conference MP3 Presentation, Dueling
Operating
Systems,
BLV-1002
Please find a link below to the blog text and audio for this
presentation.
The file is 1 hour and 52 minutes long, and about 52MB in size:
http://dcnightout.com/?p=137
I can add additional text or links to the blog entry if you
like, e.g.
to the products used, to the presenters, other related
entities, or
related resources.
The recording was made using an Olympus DS50 recorder, and has
been
saved
as a mono MP3 file. I have reviewed the beginning and select
parts
of the
recording but have not reviewed the entire contents.
In the presentation, an Apple Macintosh Voiceover, Orca Linux,
and Jaws
For Windows user complete identical tasks using their assistive
and
mainstream technologies. The presentation highlights the
strengths and
weaknesses of each operating system, related assistive
technologies, and
individual user experiences.
Enjoy,
Mika
Direct Link To MP3:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/dcnightout/DCNO_14MAR2008.mp3
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