if you are a windows user, quicktime is accessible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 available
Hi Greg At present I am not a Mac user and therefore cannot run Quicktime movies. Would it be possible therefore for you to extract the audio and produce mp3 files as I would very much like to see how these tasks should really be performed. Had it not been for encouraging words from members of the list I think I would have given up on any further interest in the Mac. Regards Gordon Atkinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 available I have made QuickTime movies of the CSUN OS tasks which can be found at: http://www.cucat.org/Streaming/csun.php Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mar 22, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Earle, just to add to my prior note, (and you may have already seen this) > but I heard the first two tasks so far and did them along with the cast. > It took me less than three minutes in both cases to do them. And I > should add, it wasn't some laborious process. To me at least, it was > just as easy if not more-so for certain things, to do on the Mac with VO > as with JFW / Windows. > > I do hope this helps and have a wonderful one!… > > Smiles, > > CQ :) > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Earle Harrison wrote: > >> Task 1: Subscribe to a blog called blind confidential >> >> Task 2. Demonstrate how to create a document and then center, bold, >> underline and italicize text >> >> Task 3 carry out a find and replace. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Earle Harrison >> President - Handy Tech North America >> Phone: 651-636-5184 >> Fax: 866-347-8249 >> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Web site: http://www.handytech.us >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney >> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:02 AM >> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by >> the >> blind >> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating SystemsatCSUN2008 >> available >> >> I don't have time to do it myself but if someone could go through the >> audio and tell me what the tasks were in the presentation at CSUN I >> will produce a movie of my computer doing those things in VoiceOver. >> >> Greg Kearney >> 535 S. Jackson St. >> Casper, Wyoming 82601 >> 307-224-4022 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> I thought it was funny how the linux guy was evading the questions >>> that people were throwing at him. The fact of the matter is that he >>> was working with a broken OS, which he slightly hinted at. Don't >>> those linux people have ways to downgrade? >>> >>> Regards >>> Justin Harford >>> >>> Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell and >>> looked awhile, pondering his voyage >>> >>> John Milton >>> Paradise Lost >>> >>> On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>> I have no problem with expert users showing me how its done, or >>>> novice users showing me how hard it is to get going. Just don't mix >>>> the two. I think they said that Janina Sajka, Chair of Open A11y >>>> >>>> http://accessibility.linux-foundation.org/a11yspecs/kbd/kafs-rc3.html >>>> >>>> was supposed to be the Orca user >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca_%28assistive_technology%29 >>>> >>>> but they scheduled her a11y presentation at the same time as the >>>> dueling OS stuff and, given the choice, she bowed out. So the Orca >>>> engineer was a last-minute substitute. While the Jaws guy may have >>>> been a beta tester, he wasn't a developer so he didn't have special >>>> insights that an ordinary user wouldn't have. He just knew his tool >>>> really really well. >>>> >>>> The Mac guy seemed to be a jack of all trades user. More of a >>>> beginner on voiceover. Not a bad thing, but you put him in with the >>>> other two guys and it sounded like VO was unusable. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: >>>>> This, as much as I've been able to hear, is interesting. But I >>>>> have a question. Maybe I missed it or misunderstood, but it >>>>> seemed like the two non-apple presenters were using Firefox. Why >>>>> didn't the Mac presenter have the option of using Firefox as >>>>> well? From what I understand there is a version of Firefox for >>>>> Mac. Isn't it accessable? >>>>> Also, I'm not sure it was quite fare that the linux presenter was >>>>> also a developer for the screen reader he was using, seems like >>>>> he'd have an advantage, and come to think of it wasn't the other >>>>> guy a beta tester for JAWS? It didn't seem like the Mac presenter >>>>> really had any sort of tie to Mac or VoiceOver development. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder how this would of played out if they had just picked >>>>> three random people, like a Windows/JAWS or Windoweyes user, a >>>>> VoiceOver user and a... Forgive me I forget what the other screen >>>>> access linux thing was, user off the street as it were and had >>>>> them do these tasks? I think it would of been more "real world" >>>>> if they just picked avrage every day run of the mill computer >>>>> users. But this is just my thoughts... >>>>> >>>>> What do you all think? >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>> OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:16 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating >>>>> SystemsatCSUN2008 available >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This one had nothing to do with apple and should have been at >>>>>> least scoped >>>>>> out before hand. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Store" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>>> OS X by >>>>>> the blind" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:47 AM >>>>>> Subject: RE: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems >>>>>> atCSUN2008 >>>>>> available >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of you should see if you can gain Apple's interest in >>>>>> presenting at >>>>>> these types of specialized conferences. Nothing builds interest >>>>>> like a >>>>>> smooth presentation of a new system, and few things can kill it >>>>>> as quickly >>>>>> as a rough one. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris >>>>>> Blouch >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:28 AM >>>>>> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>>> OS X by >>>>>> the blind >>>>>> Subject: Re: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at >>>>>> CSUN2008 >>>>>> available >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I actually attended this session and bailed out part way through. >>>>>> It was >>>>>> just too painful to hear the Mac guy struggle along. The >>>>>> assumption was >>>>>> that each platform operator was very familiar with their >>>>>> technology and >>>>>> the Apple guy obviously was not. I know the Jaws guy is an expert >>>>>> and >>>>>> the Orca guy was one of the developers of that screen reader. >>>>>> When I >>>>>> left the Apple guy was still trying to figure out how to launch >>>>>> Safari. >>>>>> He was trying to do it by searching his hard drive with >>>>>> Spotlight. I >>>>>> guess that would work but I think it's far easier to pull up the >>>>>> application list with Apple-shift-A, type S A to get to Safari >>>>>> and then >>>>>> Apple-O to open it. These aren't even Voiceover related commands. >>>>>> I did >>>>>> ping the Apple guy who was outside the room as I left about how >>>>>> sad the >>>>>> VO showing was in there. He said he had talked to the presenter >>>>>> (who >>>>>> claimed to know several platforms) and the presenter assured him >>>>>> he was >>>>>> pretty familiar. He also thought that VO and the Mac was a strong >>>>>> enough >>>>>> product that it would still succeed. >>>>>> >>>>>> A nice positive viewpoint, but for anyone listening to the >>>>>> presenter >>>>>> struggle to do the most basic things it really sounded bad. On a >>>>>> positive note I also went to the Apple VoiceOver intro and heard >>>>>> a lot >>>>>> of positive feedback from folks. It was a bit errie to hear 50 >>>>>> voiceover >>>>>> sessions in a room all reading stuff at the same time since the >>>>>> headphones had not arrived yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also got to meet Josh De Lioncourt in person, who was there as an >>>>>> invited expert to help answer questions. That would make >>>>>> anybody's day :) >>>>>> >>>>>> CB >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have listened to the discussion. It was sort of painful to >>>>>>> listen >>>>>>> to on the mac side of things. In the past I have been critical >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> apple OS mainly when leopard came out, but mistakes made here >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> easily have been fixed more effectively than they were. I guess >>>>>>> all I >>>>>>> can say here is that it hurts to think that other blind users >>>>>>> struggle >>>>>>> this much with their computers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please tell me it's not like this with everyone here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Justin Harford >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Into this wild abyss, the weary fiend stood on the brink of hell >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> looked awhile, pondering his voyage >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Milton >>>>>>> Paradise Lost >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:39 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:17 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [UACCESS-L] Audio of Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN >>>>>>>> 2008 >>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Forwarded Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Mika Pyyhkala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:02 PM >>>>>>>> To: Jamal Mazrui >>>>>>>> Subject: CSUN 2008 Conference MP3 Presentation, Dueling Operating >>>>>>>> Systems, >>>>>>>> BLV-1002 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please find a link below to the blog text and audio for this >>>>>>>> presentation. >>>>>>>> The file is 1 hour and 52 minutes long, and about 52MB in size: >>>>>>>> http://dcnightout.com/?p=137 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can add additional text or links to the blog entry if you >>>>>>>> like, e.g. >>>>>>>> to the products used, to the presenters, other related >>>>>>>> entities, or >>>>>>>> related resources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The recording was made using an Olympus DS50 recorder, and has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>> as a mono MP3 file. I have reviewed the beginning and select >>>>>>>> parts >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> recording but have not reviewed the entire contents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the presentation, an Apple Macintosh Voiceover, Orca Linux, >>>>>>>> and Jaws >>>>>>>> For Windows user complete identical tasks using their assistive >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> mainstream technologies. The presentation highlights the >>>>>>>> strengths and >>>>>>>> weaknesses of each operating system, related assistive >>>>>>>> technologies, and >>>>>>>> individual user experiences. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enjoy, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mika >>>>>>>> Direct Link To MP3: >>>>>>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/dcnightout/DCNO_14MAR2008.mp3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> UACCESS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> http://trace.wisc.edu:8080/mailman/listinfo/uaccess-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This message and any attachments are intended for the sole use of >>>>>> the >>>>>> individual to whom it is addressed. >>>>>> The information contained herein is confidential, proprietary, >>>>>> privileged or >>>>>> otherwise prohibited by law >>>>>> from disclosure. 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