So, are we pretty assured to say, I got ripped off?
I almost so frustrated I'm fixing to just unsub and say it isn't worth my
time. It would be, but being no charity has been willing to donate me a
Mac, and being that again money's an issue an Juniffer's so frickin old. I
just love trying new things. Don't take this as a pitty petty story, not
meant as such. I suffer from a few medical conditions both physically and
mentally causing me not to be able to work in public, so my days here since
I don't get out are incredibly boring. I really don't like much using my
windows machines anymore as I have kind of reached that point where Linux
was too hard to understand, yet Windows is kind a like, I know pretty much
all there is about it to know and just about half every certification for
windows based things under the sun. Not literally but with my depression,
what do I do, go get on the pc when I start feeling that way? No? I mean
yea, but it doesn't help being I can't be distracted or really expand my
mind. I just thought getting a Mac would be nice as I could have something
to learn, and something to do, but now am losing literally about all hope.
Again, This sounds like one of those p**ssed up stories to make you go o,
you poor so. I know it does. I don't mean it to though. I'm not asking
for sympathy, as much as empathy. I just need a new hobby, but am getting
nowhere and it's about literally speaking to drive me to d*** drinkin'. Not
your falt. Just how it is. I dono, Mayve I should just leave. I'd love to
stay on list, but if I do my jealousy of others with good Macs probably will
over ride my compassion and I'd not wanna take my anger out on any of you so
I'd best avoid that before I make myself look like a total idiot.
Great! Now I'm literally crying.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
Hi Chris,
I'll attempt to answer your questions as we go here. I'll place your
initials before your comments/questions and mine before my answers.
CG: OK, this system's fairly old is to my understanding. let me give
you all the specs.
97MB Memory
OS9
System version: OS9.22 USA
Virtual memory: 97MB
Internal Memory: 96MB
Processor: G3: 233MHZ
Hard disk: 4.5GB
4.0GB Free disk space currently.
This system since running OS9 is not gonna obviously have Voice Over.
There was something according to the guy who's giving this to me, in
reference to Apple Talk version 6.0.
TK: You are correct. VoiceOver will not work at all in OS 9 as it is
not that kind of software package.
CG: We do not think at least although it's unsure, if this system has a
CD burner, we think it's just a reader.
TK: I would pretty well guarantee that it's only a reader in that model.
Most of the iMacs in that era did not get burners until they reached the
400 MHz and higher models.
CG: now this leads me to an issue. The guy said he could throw in a
copy of Tiger and get it transfered to my name in the license, but, we
don't know if Tiger will work.
TK: I've installed it on as low as a 350 MHz iMac and have heard of some
others getting it on a slower unit but even on the 350 MHz machine it was
extremely slow when running VoiceOver.
CG: Apple's web site clames they suggest 128MB memory although usually
you can get a little lower than than the suggested amount.
TK: Yes, sometimes you can go lower but when running VO within Tiger on
that model (233 MHz), I don't think it would work at all in my opinion.
CG: Now what is confusing though, is when I called Apple Care, they told
me two things, they said once 128 was the recommended, but then another
rep told me something the site doesn't say. They said tiger will not run
on anything less than 256.
TK: I've ran it on 128 MBRAM but it was painful.
CG: I know that it's a different archetec but in theory, now again, I
know this isn't suggested, and if I do, I do it at my own risk, I know
this, and I won't hold you all lyable, but, in theory, could I run Tiger
on an intel machine that normally was meant for windows or Linux.
TK: Definitely not. Different architecture totally.
CG: I know I could plug in an external drive, but then how would I boot
to an external drive.
TK: Not possible with that unit. You would need a Firewire drive but
the 233 MHz machines did not support firewire.
CG: Would Apple talk be a screen reader and if so are there any web
sites where I can read how to use it?
TK: No. AppleTalk is the built-in software that makes the Mac talk but
there is no facility to use it as a screen reader without third party
software.
CG: We've considerred Outspoken but, will that work with software based
speech, and if so, is it for one with out speech or help easy to install,
and if not, then is there anything at all we could do, even if it meant
yuck like narator, just something I kind a could know what I was doing.
TK: OutSpoken works well with OS 9 on an iMac like the one you're
getting. There are a few things that need set-up in specific ways that
would be best for you to have sighted assistance to begin with.
CG: I do not plan to use this Mac, at least not at first, for anything
like Skype, or msn or what not. I do, but not till way later when I
become more comfortable.
TK: I'm pretty sure there is no OS 9 Skype compatibility and MSN for OS
9 doesn't work well with OutSpoken anyway.
CG: I mainly just wanna use ITunes, maybe do some typing of papers,
check a little mail, maybe browse the web if possible, and really that's
about it. I'd like to do more but that is the main reason.
TK: iTunes is usable but not very well at all with OutSpoken. You can
certainly listen to mp3s but you can't interact with any of the controls.
Some of it can be done through menus but still you would only be able to
listen to the complete music library as the songs and sources panes are
not accessible at all. Word processing is fine with AppleWorks. You can
use Eudora or Outlook Express to read mail although you may have some
difficulties finding any installations of them.
CG: I will have my Mac by about 10 tomorrow morningEDT, so this is
really ergent. We gotta figure something out. AGain, he is throwing
Tiger in, but, it's not looking hopeful since Tiger I think is on a DVD
right?
TK: There may be something that can be done with some time but not by
tomorrow in my world. I'm out of town from bright and early tomorrow
morning until the 26th of April. After that, I could assist.
CG: I just knoww this system he said has no wi fi, only ethernet, plus
I hear it has a mike but no WebCam, which I thought came standard with
all I-Macs.
TK: That's a pretty old machine. The standards you are speaking of are
from within the last four years or so. That unit is probably over 10
years old.
Sorry but that's the best I can do for now.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
