That's a great place to start.
If you like, you can email me anything you're posting and I'll edit it
for you.
Once I've done that I'll email it back to you so that you can post it
yourself; that way people will be able to contact you directly.
Olivia
On Apr 18, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Lewis Brock wrote:
chris
this link will be the starting point for your hunt for a mac. be to
the point. short and sweet. you'll get somewhere
lew
On 18 Apr 2008, at 18:54, Chris Gilland wrote:
Charlotte, NC.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "UCLA Bruins Fan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OK I will be happpy to.
Where abouts are you, so I know which section of the site to post
to. Would you like me to have people email you directly?
I really hope we can come up with something, because I think
you'd really enjoy the mac. I know I've enjoyed learning mine.
Olivia
On Apr 18, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
That would be great if you could post something on my behalf.
As for Tim, he was not the one who made me totally lose it.
There's been a death in the family, over the past few days, plus
the stress of all this, etc. I finally just snapped. Wasn't
his nor anyone elses falt.
Chris.
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Hi Chris,
Lu had reccomended that you try posting on some sites in the US
where you might be able to obtain a mac or software.
Have you tried
www.craigslist.org
They have all kinds of things for free, and I know I've seen
computers on there.
If you like, I would be more than happy to check it out for you
and post an add on your behalf.
I really wish I could help you out in a more tangible way; but
I would be more than willing to do some web searching and see
what I can come up with for you.
I don't think Tim's comments were meant to make you cry. Tim is
great, and was just attempting to give you an honest picture of
the problems with OS 9 with speach.
If I hear of anyone who's looking to give a powerbook away, I
will certainly let you know, and if you'd like me to do some
searching, feel free to email me off list and I'll see what I
can do.
Good luck with everything!
Olivia
On Apr 17, 2008, at 11:15 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
So, are we pretty assured to say, I got ripped off?
I almost so frustrated I'm fixing to just unsub and say it
isn't worth my time. It would be, but being no charity has
been willing to donate me a Mac, and being that again money's
an issue an Juniffer's so frickin old. I just love trying
new things. Don't take this as a pitty petty story, not
meant as such. I suffer from a few medical conditions both
physically and mentally causing me not to be able to work in
public, so my days here since I don't get out are incredibly
boring. I really don't like much using my windows machines
anymore as I have kind of reached that point where Linux was
too hard to understand, yet Windows is kind a like, I know
pretty much all there is about it to know and just about half
every certification for windows based things under the sun.
Not literally but with my depression, what do I do, go get on
the pc when I start feeling that way? No? I mean yea, but
it doesn't help being I can't be distracted or really expand
my mind. I just thought getting a Mac would be nice as I
could have something to learn, and something to do, but now am
losing literally about all hope. Again, This sounds like one
of those p**ssed up stories to make you go o, you poor so. I
know it does. I don't mean it to though. I'm not asking for
sympathy, as much as empathy. I just need a new hobby, but am
getting nowhere and it's about literally speaking to drive me
to d*** drinkin'. Not your falt. Just how it is. I dono,
Mayve I should just leave. I'd love to stay on list, but if
I do my jealousy of others with good Macs probably will over
ride my compassion and I'd not wanna take my anger out on any
of you so I'd best avoid that before I make myself look like
a total idiot.
Great! Now I'm literally crying.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
Hi Chris,
I'll attempt to answer your questions as we go here. I'll
place your initials before your comments/questions and mine
before my answers.
CG: OK, this system's fairly old is to my understanding.
let me give you all the specs.
97MB Memory
OS9
System version: OS9.22 USA
Virtual memory: 97MB
Internal Memory: 96MB
Processor: G3: 233MHZ
Hard disk: 4.5GB
4.0GB Free disk space currently.
This system since running OS9 is not gonna obviously have
Voice Over. There was something according to the guy who's
giving this to me, in reference to Apple Talk version 6.0.
TK: You are correct. VoiceOver will not work at all in OS 9
as it is not that kind of software package.
CG: We do not think at least although it's unsure, if this
system has a CD burner, we think it's just a reader.
TK: I would pretty well guarantee that it's only a reader in
that model. Most of the iMacs in that era did not get burners
until they reached the 400 MHz and higher models.
CG: now this leads me to an issue. The guy said he could
throw in a copy of Tiger and get it transfered to my name in
the license, but, we don't know if Tiger will work.
TK: I've installed it on as low as a 350 MHz iMac and have
heard of some others getting it on a slower unit but even on
the 350 MHz machine it was extremely slow when running
VoiceOver.
CG: Apple's web site clames they suggest 128MB memory
although usually you can get a little lower than than the
suggested amount.
TK: Yes, sometimes you can go lower but when running VO
within Tiger on that model (233 MHz), I don't think it would
work at all in my opinion.
CG: Now what is confusing though, is when I called Apple
Care, they told me two things, they said once 128 was the
recommended, but then another rep told me something the site
doesn't say. They said tiger will not run on anything less
than 256.
TK: I've ran it on 128 MBRAM but it was painful.
CG: I know that it's a different archetec but in theory,
now again, I know this isn't suggested, and if I do, I do it
at my own risk, I know this, and I won't hold you all
lyable, but, in theory, could I run Tiger on an intel
machine that normally was meant for windows or Linux.
TK: Definitely not. Different architecture totally.
CG: I know I could plug in an external drive, but then how
would I boot to an external drive.
TK: Not possible with that unit. You would need a Firewire
drive but the 233 MHz machines did not support firewire.
CG: Would Apple talk be a screen reader and if so are there
any web sites where I can read how to use it?
TK: No. AppleTalk is the built-in software that makes the
Mac talk but there is no facility to use it as a screen
reader without third party software.
CG: We've considerred Outspoken but, will that work with
software based speech, and if so, is it for one with out
speech or help easy to install, and if not, then is there
anything at all we could do, even if it meant yuck like
narator, just something I kind a could know what I was doing.
TK: OutSpoken works well with OS 9 on an iMac like the one
you're getting. There are a few things that need set-up in
specific ways that would be best for you to have sighted
assistance to begin with.
CG: I do not plan to use this Mac, at least not at first, for
anything like Skype, or msn or what not. I do, but not till
way later when I become more comfortable.
TK: I'm pretty sure there is no OS 9 Skype compatibility and
MSN for OS 9 doesn't work well with OutSpoken anyway.
CG: I mainly just wanna use ITunes, maybe do some typing of
papers, check a little mail, maybe browse the web if
possible, and really that's about it. I'd like to do more
but that is the main reason.
TK: iTunes is usable but not very well at all with
OutSpoken. You can certainly listen to mp3s but you can't
interact with any of the controls. Some of it can be done
through menus but still you would only be able to listen to
the complete music library as the songs and sources panes
are not accessible at all. Word processing is fine with
AppleWorks. You can use Eudora or Outlook Express to read
mail although you may have some difficulties finding any
installations of them.
CG: I will have my Mac by about 10 tomorrow morningEDT, so
this is really ergent. We gotta figure something out.
AGain, he is throwing Tiger in, but, it's not looking
hopeful since Tiger I think is on a DVD right?
TK: There may be something that can be done with some time
but not by tomorrow in my world. I'm out of town from bright
and early tomorrow morning until the 26th of April. After
that, I could assist.
CG: I just knoww this system he said has no wi fi, only
ethernet, plus I hear it has a mike but no WebCam, which I
thought came standard with all I-Macs.
TK: That's a pretty old machine. The standards you are
speaking of are from within the last four years or so. That
unit is probably over 10 years old.
Sorry but that's the best I can do for now.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
Mr. Lewis Brock
Totally blind musician and composer of 21st century synth orchestral
music
Phone: +44 07857 352828
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype: lewisjbrock
