Actually, Lou, I have posted an add about two months ago up there and never
heard one thing only to my dismay to find that the ad got taken down as
according to their support, was against their guide lines and conditions.
So... trhis is why I was going to see if someone could help me on my behalf
as it was requested.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lewis Brock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
chris
this link will be the starting point for your hunt for a mac. be to the
point. short and sweet. you'll get somewhere
lew
On 18 Apr 2008, at 18:54, Chris Gilland wrote:
Charlotte, NC.
http://charlotte.craigslist.org
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "UCLA Bruins Fan"
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To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X
by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
OK I will be happpy to.
Where abouts are you, so I know which section of the site to post to.
Would you like me to have people email you directly?
I really hope we can come up with something, because I think you'd
really enjoy the mac. I know I've enjoyed learning mine.
Olivia
On Apr 18, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
That would be great if you could post something on my behalf. As for
Tim, he was not the one who made me totally lose it. There's been a
death in the family, over the past few days, plus the stress of all
this, etc. I finally just snapped. Wasn't his nor anyone elses
falt.
Chris.
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To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
Hi Chris,
Lu had reccomended that you try posting on some sites in the US
where you might be able to obtain a mac or software.
Have you tried
www.craigslist.org
They have all kinds of things for free, and I know I've seen
computers on there.
If you like, I would be more than happy to check it out for you and
post an add on your behalf.
I really wish I could help you out in a more tangible way; but I
would be more than willing to do some web searching and see what I
can come up with for you.
I don't think Tim's comments were meant to make you cry. Tim is
great, and was just attempting to give you an honest picture of the
problems with OS 9 with speach.
If I hear of anyone who's looking to give a powerbook away, I will
certainly let you know, and if you'd like me to do some searching,
feel free to email me off list and I'll see what I can do.
Good luck with everything!
Olivia
On Apr 17, 2008, at 11:15 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
So, are we pretty assured to say, I got ripped off?
I almost so frustrated I'm fixing to just unsub and say it isn't
worth my time. It would be, but being no charity has been willing
to donate me a Mac, and being that again money's an issue an
Juniffer's so frickin old. I just love trying new things. Don't
take this as a pitty petty story, not meant as such. I suffer from
a few medical conditions both physically and mentally causing me
not to be able to work in public, so my days here since I don't
get out are incredibly boring. I really don't like much using my
windows machines anymore as I have kind of reached that point
where Linux was too hard to understand, yet Windows is kind a
like, I know pretty much all there is about it to know and just
about half every certification for windows based things under the
sun. Not literally but with my depression, what do I do, go get
on the pc when I start feeling that way? No? I mean yea, but it
doesn't help being I can't be distracted or really expand my
mind. I just thought getting a Mac would be nice as I could have
something to learn, and something to do, but now am losing
literally about all hope. Again, This sounds like one of those
p**ssed up stories to make you go o, you poor so. I know it does.
I don't mean it to though. I'm not asking for sympathy, as much as
empathy. I just need a new hobby, but am getting nowhere and it's
about literally speaking to drive me to d*** drinkin'. Not your
falt. Just how it is. I dono, Mayve I should just leave. I'd
love to stay on list, but if I do my jealousy of others with good
Macs probably will over ride my compassion and I'd not wanna take
my anger out on any of you so I'd best avoid that before I make
myself look like a total idiot.
Great! Now I'm literally crying.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
Hi Chris,
I'll attempt to answer your questions as we go here. I'll place
your initials before your comments/questions and mine before my
answers.
CG: OK, this system's fairly old is to my understanding. let me
give you all the specs.
97MB Memory
OS9
System version: OS9.22 USA
Virtual memory: 97MB
Internal Memory: 96MB
Processor: G3: 233MHZ
Hard disk: 4.5GB
4.0GB Free disk space currently.
This system since running OS9 is not gonna obviously have Voice
Over. There was something according to the guy who's giving this
to me, in reference to Apple Talk version 6.0.
TK: You are correct. VoiceOver will not work at all in OS 9 as
it is not that kind of software package.
CG: We do not think at least although it's unsure, if this system
has a CD burner, we think it's just a reader.
TK: I would pretty well guarantee that it's only a reader in that
model. Most of the iMacs in that era did not get burners until
they reached the 400 MHz and higher models.
CG: now this leads me to an issue. The guy said he could throw
in a copy of Tiger and get it transfered to my name in the
license, but, we don't know if Tiger will work.
TK: I've installed it on as low as a 350 MHz iMac and have heard
of some others getting it on a slower unit but even on the 350
MHz machine it was extremely slow when running VoiceOver.
CG: Apple's web site clames they suggest 128MB memory although
usually you can get a little lower than than the suggested amount.
TK: Yes, sometimes you can go lower but when running VO within
Tiger on that model (233 MHz), I don't think it would work at all
in my opinion.
CG: Now what is confusing though, is when I called Apple Care,
they told me two things, they said once 128 was the recommended,
but then another rep told me something the site doesn't say. They
said tiger will not run on anything less than 256.
TK: I've ran it on 128 MBRAM but it was painful.
CG: I know that it's a different archetec but in theory, now
again, I know this isn't suggested, and if I do, I do it at my own
risk, I know this, and I won't hold you all lyable, but, in
theory, could I run Tiger on an intel machine that normally was
meant for windows or Linux.
TK: Definitely not. Different architecture totally.
CG: I know I could plug in an external drive, but then how would
I boot to an external drive.
TK: Not possible with that unit. You would need a Firewire drive
but the 233 MHz machines did not support firewire.
CG: Would Apple talk be a screen reader and if so are there any
web sites where I can read how to use it?
TK: No. AppleTalk is the built-in software that makes the Mac
talk but there is no facility to use it as a screen reader without
third party software.
CG: We've considerred Outspoken but, will that work with software
based speech, and if so, is it for one with out speech or help
easy to install, and if not, then is there anything at all we
could do, even if it meant yuck like narator, just something I
kind a could know what I was doing.
TK: OutSpoken works well with OS 9 on an iMac like the one you're
getting. There are a few things that need set-up in specific ways
that would be best for you to have sighted assistance to begin
with.
CG: I do not plan to use this Mac, at least not at first, for
anything like Skype, or msn or what not. I do, but not till way
later when I become more comfortable.
TK: I'm pretty sure there is no OS 9 Skype compatibility and MSN
for OS 9 doesn't work well with OutSpoken anyway.
CG: I mainly just wanna use ITunes, maybe do some typing of
papers, check a little mail, maybe browse the web if possible,
and really that's about it. I'd like to do more but that is the
main reason.
TK: iTunes is usable but not very well at all with OutSpoken.
You can certainly listen to mp3s but you can't interact with any
of the controls. Some of it can be done through menus but still
you would only be able to listen to the complete music library as
the songs and sources panes are not accessible at all. Word
processing is fine with AppleWorks. You can use Eudora or Outlook
Express to read mail although you may have some difficulties
finding any installations of them.
CG: I will have my Mac by about 10 tomorrow morningEDT, so this
is really ergent. We gotta figure something out. AGain, he is
throwing Tiger in, but, it's not looking hopeful since Tiger I
think is on a DVD right?
TK: There may be something that can be done with some time but
not by tomorrow in my world. I'm out of town from bright and
early tomorrow morning until the 26th of April. After that, I
could assist.
CG: I just knoww this system he said has no wi fi, only
ethernet, plus I hear it has a mike but no WebCam, which I
thought came standard with all I-Macs.
TK: That's a pretty old machine. The standards you are speaking
of are from within the last four years or so. That unit is
probably over 10 years old.
Sorry but that's the best I can do for now.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
Mr. Lewis Brock
Totally blind musician and composer of 21st century synth orchestral
music
Phone: +44 07857 352828
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype: lewisjbrock
