mate I support you all the way. contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and I will give you some help and guidelines as to what to do. then
you should get some success.
we can talk at length about it and I have no problem helping you. I've
been there myself in this exact situation. OK i'm an owner of two new
macs but some of my work needs an old G3 or G4 mac to work on with
outspoken etc for developer work etc. and on 3 mac lists in the UK I
was viciously attacked for my disability etc.
dont worry mate I've a few ideas.
lew
On 18 Apr 2008, at 04:15, Chris Gilland wrote:
So, are we pretty assured to say, I got ripped off?
I almost so frustrated I'm fixing to just unsub and say it isn't
worth my time. It would be, but being no charity has been willing
to donate me a Mac, and being that again money's an issue an
Juniffer's so frickin old. I just love trying new things. Don't
take this as a pitty petty story, not meant as such. I suffer from
a few medical conditions both physically and mentally causing me not
to be able to work in public, so my days here since I don't get out
are incredibly boring. I really don't like much using my windows
machines anymore as I have kind of reached that point where Linux
was too hard to understand, yet Windows is kind a like, I know
pretty much all there is about it to know and just about half every
certification for windows based things under the sun. Not literally
but with my depression, what do I do, go get on the pc when I start
feeling that way? No? I mean yea, but it doesn't help being I
can't be distracted or really expand my mind. I just thought
getting a Mac would be nice as I could have something to learn, and
something to do, but now am losing literally about all hope. Again,
This sounds like one of those p**ssed up stories to make you go o,
you poor so. I know it does. I don't mean it to though. I'm not
asking for sympathy, as much as empathy. I just need a new hobby,
but am getting nowhere and it's about literally speaking to drive me
to d*** drinkin'. Not your falt. Just how it is. I dono, Mayve I
should just leave. I'd love to stay on list, but if I do my
jealousy of others with good Macs probably will over ride my
compassion and I'd not wanna take my anger out on any of you so I'd
best avoid that before I make myself look like a total idiot.
Great! Now I'm literally crying.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: New member with a lot of questions
Hi Chris,
I'll attempt to answer your questions as we go here. I'll place
your initials before your comments/questions and mine before my
answers.
CG: OK, this system's fairly old is to my understanding. let me
give you all the specs.
97MB Memory
OS9
System version: OS9.22 USA
Virtual memory: 97MB
Internal Memory: 96MB
Processor: G3: 233MHZ
Hard disk: 4.5GB
4.0GB Free disk space currently.
This system since running OS9 is not gonna obviously have Voice
Over. There was something according to the guy who's giving this
to me, in reference to Apple Talk version 6.0.
TK: You are correct. VoiceOver will not work at all in OS 9 as it
is not that kind of software package.
CG: We do not think at least although it's unsure, if this system
has a CD burner, we think it's just a reader.
TK: I would pretty well guarantee that it's only a reader in that
model. Most of the iMacs in that era did not get burners until
they reached the 400 MHz and higher models.
CG: now this leads me to an issue. The guy said he could throw in
a copy of Tiger and get it transfered to my name in the license,
but, we don't know if Tiger will work.
TK: I've installed it on as low as a 350 MHz iMac and have heard
of some others getting it on a slower unit but even on the 350
MHz machine it was extremely slow when running VoiceOver.
CG: Apple's web site clames they suggest 128MB memory although
usually you can get a little lower than than the suggested amount.
TK: Yes, sometimes you can go lower but when running VO within
Tiger on that model (233 MHz), I don't think it would work at all
in my opinion.
CG: Now what is confusing though, is when I called Apple Care,
they told me two things, they said once 128 was the recommended,
but then another rep told me something the site doesn't say. They
said tiger will not run on anything less than 256.
TK: I've ran it on 128 MBRAM but it was painful.
CG: I know that it's a different archetec but in theory, now
again, I know this isn't suggested, and if I do, I do it at my own
risk, I know this, and I won't hold you all lyable, but, in theory,
could I run Tiger on an intel machine that normally was meant for
windows or Linux.
TK: Definitely not. Different architecture totally.
CG: I know I could plug in an external drive, but then how would
I boot to an external drive.
TK: Not possible with that unit. You would need a Firewire drive
but the 233 MHz machines did not support firewire.
CG: Would Apple talk be a screen reader and if so are there any
web sites where I can read how to use it?
TK: No. AppleTalk is the built-in software that makes the Mac
talk but there is no facility to use it as a screen reader without
third party software.
CG: We've considerred Outspoken but, will that work with software
based speech, and if so, is it for one with out speech or help easy
to install, and if not, then is there anything at all we could do,
even if it meant yuck like narator, just something I kind a could
know what I was doing.
TK: OutSpoken works well with OS 9 on an iMac like the one you're
getting. There are a few things that need set-up in specific ways
that would be best for you to have sighted assistance to begin with.
CG: I do not plan to use this Mac, at least not at first, for
anything like Skype, or msn or what not. I do, but not till way
later when I become more comfortable.
TK: I'm pretty sure there is no OS 9 Skype compatibility and MSN
for OS 9 doesn't work well with OutSpoken anyway.
CG: I mainly just wanna use ITunes, maybe do some typing of
papers, check a little mail, maybe browse the web if possible, and
really that's about it. I'd like to do more but that is the main
reason.
TK: iTunes is usable but not very well at all with OutSpoken.
You can certainly listen to mp3s but you can't interact with any
of the controls. Some of it can be done through menus but still
you would only be able to listen to the complete music library as
the songs and sources panes are not accessible at all. Word
processing is fine with AppleWorks. You can use Eudora or Outlook
Express to read mail although you may have some difficulties
finding any installations of them.
CG: I will have my Mac by about 10 tomorrow morningEDT, so this
is really ergent. We gotta figure something out. AGain, he is
throwing Tiger in, but, it's not looking hopeful since Tiger I
think is on a DVD right?
TK: There may be something that can be done with some time but not
by tomorrow in my world. I'm out of town from bright and early
tomorrow morning until the 26th of April. After that, I could
assist.
CG: I just knoww this system he said has no wi fi, only
ethernet, plus I hear it has a mike but no WebCam, which I
thought came standard with all I-Macs.
TK: That's a pretty old machine. The standards you are speaking
of are from within the last four years or so. That unit is
probably over 10 years old.
Sorry but that's the best I can do for now.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
Mr. Lewis Brock
Totally blind musician and composer of 21st century synth orchestral
music
Phone: +44 07857 352828
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype: lewisjbrock
