Hi Esther, Thank you very much. I bookmarked the sites.
Felix knows about the chooser item menu. He uses it in Craigs list. I guess he did not know it'd work on other sites? Not sure. He doesn't cruise the internet much. Just certain sites. He did not know about the bracket keys, or some of the other short cut keys. I'll read those links, and practise using the VO commands too. (Felix is listening to VO spell while I type this, he says I'll be better at VO than him. I doubt that! But at least I'll have the basics down too). Got my homework cut out for me, reading those sites! Janet ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:39:12 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Most likely an old question: Need help with VO > keyboardcommandswhen interacting with websites > > Hi Janet and Felix, > > I forgot to add that you should use the item chooser menu (VO-keys+I) > to navigate web pages to avoid images, etc. There are other tricks, > like searching for a printer-friendly link (some pages have these to > display content without images). Also, some web sites have accessible > alternative pages, though I'm not sure what the status is for sites like > Amazon that were supposed to be accessible by the end of 2007: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/03/amazoncom_is_going_to_be_acces.html > > (I don't know whether they improved their first attempt at this, that > people complained about at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/h.html > though). > > And I note that my cursor jumped when I was typing the first post: you > can navigate to any of the menu bar entries with either the arrow keys > or by typing the first letters of a Menu. This is generally true for > navigation > option under VoiceOver. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On June 11, 2008, at 11:19AM, Esther wrote: >>Hi Janet, >> >>Check out the VoiceOver Getting Started Manuals at: >> >>http://w3.wmcnet.org/dtbmaker/books/vogs/ >> >>These extend the Apple-supplied PDF and MP3 formats to a number of >>other options, including Braille, and include both Leopard and Tiger >>descriptions. (The original manuals for Tiger have been available from >>Apple for a few years from Apple at: >>http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/manual.html >>and have the MP3 files links chapter by chapter, as well as the complete >>zip download that.) >> >>Reverse tabbing is shift-tab. Going back to a previous web page is >>Command-[. These are all standard keyboard shortcuts built into OS X >>and are not VoiceOver specific that you (or he) can easily find. Any >>menu option with a shortcut key combination (like the "previous page") >>is announced in VoiceOver when you go to that menu item (and is >>also displayed for the sighted user). So, if I explore the menu bar of >>the Safari application (VO-keys+M to go the menu bar, where VO-keys >>means holding down the Command and Option keys at the same >>time; type "hi" to go to the History menu option, or the arrow keys; then >>arrow down to the submenu), I will hear "Back, Command-Left Bracket" >>for the navigation option and its shortcut key equivalent. >> >>Hear are a few places to check: >> >>Tim Kilburn's web pages on VoiceOver (pointing you to the Safari page): >>http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/safari5.html >> >>I Can Work This Thing (with link to GarageBand basics): >>http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/index.shtml >> >>Lioncourt.com (QuickTips, Guides and Tutorials, and Resources): >>http://www.lioncourt.com/ >> >>The searchable archives at the Mailing List Archives: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/ >> >>with instructions on search syntax: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#search >> >>It's also possible to read this list at the archive site. I do this when I'm >>away from my email, and there are shortcuts to browse: >> >>http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg36039.html >> >>Also, if you have run a search, and want to move through by date or >>thread from that post you can use those shortcuts to navigate, and >>typing Control-I or Control-C will show you the listed items by date >>or by thread content for the time period around that post. >> >>When you go to the Archive Search page focus is naturally placed >>in the search text field, so all you have to do is type your search terms >>and press enter. >> >>HTH >> >>Cheers, >> >>Esther >> >> >>On June 11, 2008, at 09:12AM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >>> >>>Felix, even though he's had his mac for 3 years, still cannot do basic VO >>>maneuvering functions on websites. He can't move around on a page. I >>>figured out that tab works, but then how do we go back one. Backwards tab. >>>How do you do that? How does he go back to the previous page? How do you >>>jump across dividers, say, to get past the side menus and advertising, to >>>read the text part of the website? >>> >>>I'm sure I can't think of everything he needs. Do you have an old archived >>>post somewhere that covers all this? >>> >>>Thanks. >>>_________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow
