as i said and i dont wanna start anything, but there are mobile speak users who use the htc touch, and it is like the iphone, completely, touch, so it's doable!
On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

Mike, I think you're missing David's point. If the phone has a touch screen, how are we gonna do it, being we can't see to know where on the screen to touch. OK, sure touch the top left, ok, you're a little to high, no, wo wo wo wo, that was too low, go up, ahh, dang it, little to the left, no wo, I said a little, not a lot. OK, move right, now go down a little, to the right a bit, boom right there, now, touch. Do you kind a see his point now? We could only get a general idea. Yeah touch top left, well, that is so vaigue. How far top left.

if there is no tactual keyboard, then we're kind a screwed. I frankly wouldn't have it.

Chris.


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well there is the htc touch, isn't that like the iphone? mobile speak runs on it being that the htc touch runs windows mobile
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible? Obviously it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There is no tactile UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some have simple instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top right for no. That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for complex interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for Apple but this seems like a tough nut to crack.

CB

Krister Ekstrom wrote:

22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:

I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was calling about another issue and was told that apple would "look into it" This was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved as of now.

But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone business going on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been like this that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over functionality and accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have such a well functioning screen reader as we have.

With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question should be usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If we get angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen.

/Krister







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