I've often wondered what IPhone runs. Is it some form of mobile Leopard or the like? If so, then shouldn't we be able to compile, well... ok, not we... but you know what I mean, shouldn't Apple, rather, be able to compile Voice over of some sort into it? Yeah you don't have control and option keys so the function would have to be a little bit different but, I can't see where it couldn't be done with a little work, if this be the case.

Again though, what do I know.

LOL!

Chris.


----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]>
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except it runs windows mobile, big big difference.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:03 PM
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as i said and i dont wanna start anything, but there are mobile speak
users who use the htc touch, and it is like the iphone, completely,
touch, so it's doable!
On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

Mike, I think you're missing David's point.  If the phone has a
touch screen, how are we gonna do it, being we can't see to know
where on the screen to touch.  OK, sure touch the top left, ok,
you're a little to high, no, wo wo wo wo, that was too low, go up,
ahh, dang it, little to the left, no wo, I said a little, not a
lot.  OK, move right, now go down a little, to the right a bit, boom
right there, now, touch.  Do you kind a see his point now?  We could
only get a general idea.  Yeah touch top left, well, that is so
vaigue.  How far top left.

if there is no tactual keyboard, then we're kind a screwed.  I
frankly wouldn't have it.

Chris.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account"
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well there is the htc touch, isn't that like the iphone? mobile
speak runs on it being that the htc touch runs windows mobile
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible?
Obviously it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact?
There  is no tactile UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen
kiosk and  some have simple instructions saying to touch the top
left for yes  or top right for no. That kind of interaction model
doesn't scale  very well for complex interaction like typing an
email . Not making  excuses for Apple but this seems like a tough
nut to crack.

CB

Krister Ekstrom wrote:

22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:

I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was
calling  about another issue and was told that apple would "look
into it"  This was in June, and appparently nothing has been
resolved as of  now.

But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone business
going on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been
like  this that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over
functionality and accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that
we  have such a well functioning screen reader as we have.

With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question should be
usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If we
get angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and
complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen.

/Krister












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