David, You write often of Apple's not having an incentive to make the
iPhone speech friendly, but a possible incentive would be to speech
enable it for drivers. I'm thinking of certain LG phones which have a
great deal of, for lack of a term inadvertent accessibility because of
their "driving" modes.
As an aside, but having to do with incentive, wasn't there an FCC
complaint filed maintaining that the iPhone is in violation of 1988
telecom legislation? I vaguely remember the complaint focusing on the
fact that a blind user could not dial emergency services given the
touch screen nature of the iPhone and that the 1988 legislation
mandated the ability to access emergency services. I don't know if
the complaint was dismissed -- I haven't heard anything about it for
quite a while. When I'm more awake, I'll see if I can google up that
complaint as it'd be interesting to see what happened to it.
Steve
On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:02 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
I didn't say never and in later messages, I said that the pda screen
reading
solutions are currently based on windows and symbion.
While it is true that pocket pcs run through taps and msp, the IPhone
as has
been described is not quite that simple.
The bottom line here though is that there is no incentive for apple to
make
it work.
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Your still missing the point. Regardless of what os it's running, the
point is if folks are using MSS to utilize the device despite it's
lack of a regular tactile keyboard or tactile interface, they are
doing it none the less. So, this means it isn't impossible for the
iPhone to offer the same abilities. Point is never say never. Apple
has proven to be a company who has made many things possible that
shows they have the ability. The point then becomes whether or not it
makes business since. The blind community is a small community in the
scheme of things and as much as it pains me to say it, it's just
simply true. So, then a company has to decide where to spend their R&D
money which will return the most profit for the company and stock
holders. So, it's not a simple issue no matter which way you look at
it. However, again, never say never because you can't honestly say
what Apple will or will not do.
On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:24 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
except it runs windows mobile, big big difference.
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as i said and i dont wanna start anything, but there are mobile speak
users who use the htc touch, and it is like the iphone, completely,
touch, so it's doable!
On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
Mike, I think you're missing David's point. If the phone has a
touch screen, how are we gonna do it, being we can't see to know
where on the screen to touch. OK, sure touch the top left, ok,
you're a little to high, no, wo wo wo wo, that was too low, go up,
ahh, dang it, little to the left, no wo, I said a little, not a
lot. OK, move right, now go down a little, to the right a bit, boom
right there, now, touch. Do you kind a see his point now? We could
only get a general idea. Yeah touch top left, well, that is so
vaigue. How far top left.
if there is no tactual keyboard, then we're kind a screwed. I
frankly wouldn't have it.
Chris.
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well there is the htc touch, isn't that like the iphone? mobile
speak runs on it being that the htc touch runs windows mobile
On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible?
Obviously it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact?
There is no tactile UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen
kiosk and some have simple instructions saying to touch the top
left for yes or top right for no. That kind of interaction model
doesn't scale very well for complex interaction like typing an
email . Not making excuses for Apple but this seems like a tough
nut to crack.
CB
Krister Ekstrom wrote:
22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:
I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was
calling about another issue and was told that apple would "look
into it" This was in June, and appparently nothing has been
resolved as of now.
But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone business
going on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been
like this that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over
functionality and accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that
we have such a well functioning screen reader as we have.
With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question should be
usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If we
get angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and
complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen.
/Krister
Scott Howell
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