well, since apple has done it for one of their products, they would be the 
ones in the best position to do it but I see no incentive for them to do it 
so perhaps one of the pda developpers could take a whack at it or a grass 
roots group since the sdk is available.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby 
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening


Then it's a matter of who we're gonna talk to? Code factory has done
it for Windows Smart phones, that means one could write to them and
ask if they'd be interested in making a mobilespeak like app for the
Iphone, or should we talk to apple and wonder why hey don't make their
ipones usable?
I think the codefactory rout would be the best option.
/Krister



22 jul 2008 kl. 19.03 skrev Mike's Western Account:

> as i said and i dont wanna start anything, but there are mobile
> speak users who use the htc touch, and it is like the iphone,
> completely, touch, so it's doable!
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>
>> Mike, I think you're missing David's point.  If the phone has a
>> touch screen, how are we gonna do it, being we can't see to know
>> where on the screen to touch.  OK, sure touch the top left, ok,
>> you're a little to high, no, wo wo wo wo, that was too low, go up,
>> ahh, dang it, little to the left, no wo, I said a little, not a
>> lot.  OK, move right, now go down a little, to the right a bit,
>> boom right there, now, touch.  Do you kind a see his point now?  We
>> could only get a general idea.  Yeah touch top left, well, that is
>> so vaigue.  How far top left.
>>
>> if there is no tactual keyboard, then we're kind a screwed.  I
>> frankly wouldn't have it.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account" 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
>> OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening
>>
>>
>>> well there is the htc touch, isn't that like the iphone? mobile
>>> speak runs on it being that the htc touch runs windows mobile
>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>>
>>>> So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible?
>>>> Obviously it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact?
>>>> There  is no tactile UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen
>>>> kiosk and  some have simple instructions saying to touch the top
>>>> left for yes  or top right for no. That kind of interaction model
>>>> doesn't scale  very well for complex interaction like typing an
>>>> email . Not making  excuses for Apple but this seems like a tough
>>>> nut to crack.
>>>>
>>>> CB
>>>>
>>>> Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was
>>>>>> calling  about another issue and was told that apple would
>>>>>> "look into it"  This was in June, and appparently nothing has
>>>>>> been resolved as of  now.
>>>>>
>>>>> But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone business
>>>>> going on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been
>>>>> like  this that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over
>>>>> functionality and accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that
>>>>> we  have such a well functioning screen reader as we have.
>>>>>
>>>>> With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question should
>>>>> be usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If
>>>>> we  get angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners
>>>>> and complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>





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