Hi, I am with you cara, accessible products should still look cool - accessibility should be built in and not an add on that way you don't have to make a statement about your disability based on the mobile you have.
I think that we have to be optemistic Apple is moving forward and faster than many others - speech right out the box on computers and new ipods is really pushing boundaries and we don't have any indication that Apple will stop there so lets enjoy things and keep possitive - that way developers will see efforts are worth it because there products are being used. Julie -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 11 September 2008 10:56 To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind Subject: Re: Response from Accessibility at Apple Will, lemme just start off by saying damn! lol! I mean Damn! - Paranoid much?... <smile> sorry, but how on earth can you say with such certainty that access to the IPhone will never come, firstly, considering what has just happened in the last couple of days; and secondly, when there are already touch screen devices out there with usable access?... What's the deal?... Why are you so sure that this will never happen?... If you'd like to start feeling less down-trodden, one way to do that is to take a more active role in your world. Also, a way of dealing with people more constructively is to actually pose suggestions and ideas rather than simply sitting back and coming up with ways to shoot those ideas of others down. Would you like to have a positive spin in your world, or a negative one? The choice is yours!... I Truly wish you / yours the best!... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Will Lomas wrote: > hi they soon cater for the deaf with text services, what about us? > all this equal access rights never gets implemented who are we kiding? > let's be honest, apple are committed to acessibility that is clear and > evident yet they bring out a phone which works for all markets but the > blind and to be honest it probably never will as it is a touch screen > and i don't wat to carry round keyboard and extra stuff to use a > mobile phone > > On 11 Sep 2008, at 09:17, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> Cara - my point exactly! Technology costs quite a bit still really, >> and it's something that we have to rely on more than most. My >> thinking has always been that if I've got to shell out for this >> stuff, I at least want to enjoy using it and look good as a geek >> hehe. What bugs me about all this though is that there is such a >> thing as accidental access right? As in, code gets re-written and >> ends up being accessible just because the programmer uses good >> practices etc. >> I'm pretty certain that's not what's happened here with iTunes, which >> means that it's probably been on the list of things to do for a while >> and they've eventually got to the point where the biggies have been >> ironed out and they can spend a little time on it. That's fine, I'm >> not expecting them realistically to prioritise a small-ish market >> like us before time, I just wish someone could send me a copy of the >> list of things to do each week lol. What I'm saying I guess is that >> if I knew it was a similar situation with the iPhone, where Apple >> have every intention of implimenting a solution they've already got >> ideas for etc, I'd wait and keep up this fake friendship I've >> developed with symbian, specially if I could check on us slowly >> moving up the list every now and then. It's wishful thinking of >> course... bummer. >> >> On 9/11/08, Cara Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Quoth Scott, I can't ever see Apple doing an overlay. Sticking >>> something on a touch screen >>> >>> -to which I spake, <smile> Even if they did, I can't ever see me >>> liking it! lol! >>> >>> I'm sorry people, but looks, style, and the cool factor are >>> important to me. When technology and creativity are put together to >>> solve an issue without an air of compromise, the solution is >>> wonderfully edgey and pure art!... >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> >>> >>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>>> Purely speculation of course, but I can't ever see Apple doing an >>>> overlay. Sticking something on a touch screen just isn't slick >>>> enough, it's even more clumsy than shoving an extra device in to >>>> the bottom of your iPod ... just not Apple's style. My guess, if >>>> it ever happens, is that it'll be a combo of some sort of feedback >>>> via vibrations, and navigating with jestures that would simulate >>>> something like hitting a VO-right and VO-left on a mac. Between >>>> the two, it'd be pretty usable surely. >>>> >>>> On 9/10/08, Peter Apgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> I agree with this one but Don't hold your breath. For example,How >>>>> long did it take to make the hottest music download page to become >>>>> accessible? It will take almost this long if not longer with the >>>>> lack of keyboard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessi >>>>> Rathwell >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:58 PM >>>>> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>> OS X by theblind >>>>> Subject: Re: Response from Accessibility at Apple >>>>> >>>>> yeah, that's what I was thinking too. lol On 10-Sep-08, at 11:35 >>>>> AM, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> huge difference between windows and Iphone, though. I want to >>>>>> get away from windows and third party software when ever >>>>>> possible, and if I can use an Iphone with out worrying about >>>>>> installing things like Mobile speak, that is certainly the way I >>>>>> will go. >>>>>> Just my oppinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Will Lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> but it is extra to carry around you may as well all just buy a >>>>>>> windows mobile phone with an integrated keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2008, at 18:34, Jessi Rathwell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yeah, I was thinking one way to make the touch screen workable >>>>>>>> would be to just ship a small bluetooth keyboard with it. >>>>>>>> that's all we need, a keyboard, then we could totally use VO. >>>>>>>> On 10-Sep-08, at 8:28 AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> true, but they would have to make the touch screen interface >>>>>>>>> workable which shouldn't be too hard to do at least in a >>>>>>>>> limitted way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Blouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>>> Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:15 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Response from Accessibility at Apple >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, there are a few tactile buttons for volume, home, ring/ >>>>>>>>> silent and sleep/wake. Everything else is through the touch >>>>>>>>> screen. >>>>>>>>> Maybe they will eventually just put VO on the iPhone. It >>>>>>>>> supposedly is OSX under the hood. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Esther wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, they replied to me, too. Interesting the the iPhone link >>>>>>>>>> on the new Accessibility page mentions tactile buttons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Dan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I wrote an appreciation EMail >>>>>>>>>>> to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and they responded. I really >>>>>>>>>>> appreciate that as well as the fixes. >>>>>>>>>>> They also mentioned a new Accessibility page, >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ >>>>>>>>>>> So I'm going to the Accessibility page to see what's new. >>>>>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> --- >>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>> >>> >>> >> > > --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn
