On 1/18/06, Pavel JanÃk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Chad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:25:38 -0500 > > > To install X11 on a system that is already running Tiger, you have > to > > *reinstall Tiger* to do it, potentially losing data and/or > > preferences. > > This is non-true statement. As you use non-true statements as your > arguments (either on purpose or because of your limited knowledge), please > use [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [email protected] next time, please.
Please tell me how to install X11 on a Mac that is already running Mac OS X 10.4 without running the OS X install disc which makes you reinstall Tiger to get X11. I've asked this question before, and the only answer I get is "it's on the Tiger DVD". > Do you use a Mac, Pavel? > > Yes. My second computer on my desk is PowerPC based Macintosh! I even > regularly produce the OpenOffice.org and it runs on my Macintosh! In fact > it is in the form of universal binary now, but it doesn't matter! > > And as it runs on my Mac, it is a living evidence that you lie. but I know > you do not want to lie. Your goal are different. I know them. But you are > not representing your goals in a good way - see below. I never said it was impossible to install X11 - I just said to do it on a Mac that already has Tiger (OS X 10.4.x) you have to reinstall Tiger. On 10.3 or 10.2, installing X11 is not nearly as difficult. Installing it *with* Tiger (as in you are upgrading from an older Operating System) isn't hard, you just have to know it's there and ask for it. But if you are already running Tiger, the only way I've been told and been able to find out on my own through experiementing to install X11 is to reinstall the OS, (which I have done on my laptop, so i can run GIMP). > Do you know what I'm talking about? > > Yes. You lie about the inability to install X11 without reinstalling the > whole system. I said reinstalling Tiger - you don't have to wipe your hard drive to do it, but it does go through the process of reinstalling Tiger. So if you interupt it in mid-process, you can lose data. It's not like the normal drag-and-drop of any other Mac software. In fact, on 10.3, I believe (not sure - feel free to correct me), X11 *is* drag and drop. But for Tiger, it's not, (unless they've updated the file on apple.com or it is available from a different place). X11 is (currently) requirement of OpenOffice.org. Take it as fact! If you > do not agree with it, do not behave like an ***** but try to help to get > rid of this requirement. It's not a requirement for NeoOffice. I'd like it not to be for OpenOffice.org. But I don't see the point in me getting involved in learning a programming language, devoting tons of my spare time, etc. to doing something that NeoOffice has already done. Why OpenOffice.org can't do what NeoOffice has done, I don't know. I do know why they won't accept NeoOffice as OOo-proper (licensing issues, NeoOffice is GPL - OpenOffice.org is LGPL). But since Java and Carbon come on every Mac and every copy of Mac OS X that Apple produces, then I don't see why OOo proper can't use them instead of X11. I can "take it as fact" that OOo proper "needs" X11. But I can also "take it as fact" that NeoOffice is user-friendly, doesn't require anything that isn't pre-installed on my Mac, and looks/feels/acts like a Mac native program. So you can "take it as fact" that this ***** is going to use and promote NeoOffice over OOo for Mac users as long as each project keep doing what they're doing. By behaving like an ***** you only make the motivation of the people who > actually can change this smaller! Do you understand it? And of course, > people see you as an *****. > I do understand your point. But I've given up on trying to convince the people who make the X11 port change their ways. I've banged my head against that brick wall for too long. I'm just going to use NeoOffice on my Mac and be happy with it. On my Windows box, it's OOo. On my Linux box, it's OOo. On my Mac, it's NeoOffice. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
