On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Datatude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10-18-2008 1:20 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> He doesn't need to know how to code, he can hire someone else to code >> it for him. I bet there are many java programmers out there that will >> offer themselves to code this feature for him. >> >> I understand that not everyone know how to code but everyone could >> look for means to get the resources needed to make it happen. Whether >> that means hire someone else, or just convince them. Again most non >> developers also don't understand the time an effort that coding means >> either. >> >> I am glad that you went on an experience being involved in QA and I >> guess that you also got to expeirence all the things that need to be >> done to test. The effort you put is a good view on the time we need to >> put into to solve issues on our part. So please hire people so we get >> things done faster and can get to your 'requests'. Does that sound >> fair? >> >> > > I like your concept of nonprogramming OOo community members conscripting > programmers into the process. But unless one *can* convince programmers to > do it for free I suspect at USD 60 per hour most of us could not afford to > pay someone.... > > I did NOT test anything for Mac porting, I guess I did not make myself clear > on that. The instructions I received were enough to make smoke come out of > my ears, starting with having to build from nightly snapshots on my machine. > I neither know how to do that nor have the time. So then I used a milestone > but could not decipher the very-programmer-oriented and > not-very-end-user-oriented fields and UI for running tests. Then there was > something about automated tests (??? I don't think that even works on Mac) > and something about smoke test or something. I had no idea how to do any of > it, yet the suggestion on various project sites is, if you don't know how to > program don't worry, you can TEST for us as though anyone who can > double-click something is qualified. I was not qualified. > > kazar
I dont think you understood my point. Basically resources have to come from somewhere. So if you want to be serious of a change you either have to provide that resource somehow, either with money, time, or flesh (dedicate an employer). Really don't limit yourself to these options, if you can find an alternative way to provide resources more power to you. Developers are a myth, most developers are also users. Some of them were users before they became developers. 60 dls an hour is steep but perhaps you can shop around sites like odesk.com or elance.com and hire a java developer for much less (10dls an hour). With 200 dls you might be able to have a feature like the one the original user asked. Maybe he can get a better rate once the developer is aware it will be open source and under LGPL3 an end up paying much less. But the point is not really the money, is what are you going to do about it. Raise money for your project with your local government and get a grant for science and technology to improve OOo is not such a bad Idea either, then u can hire many java developers or your local university and have a contest for $1000 dls bounty on FOSS. I am ok with users not wanting to be developres, but that doesnt mean that they can come up with alternatives to provide the resources needed. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
