On Saturday, December 07, 2013 01:11:10 Omar Rassi wrote: > Speaking for myself, I don't think non-members should be left with junk. I > want everyone to be able enjoy the space. It is for this reason that with > the recent growth of Synhak, and a steady stream of donations have been > coming in. It would not be excellent for one person to claim something that > could be $300 in value especially when we're clamoring for funds for a > bigger space. A simple procedure that places the needs of the space as a > community over an individual, to quote Ambassador Spock, "The needs of the > many, outweigh the needs of the few."
Lets not quote philosophers here. If "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few", then there wouldn't be any confusion about the junk pile. It obviously benefits the public many a lot more than the few members. > > I expect more than one of these IBM thinkpads to make it back to the junk > pile. Then there are the computers they may replace, they'll end up in that > pile as well. perhaps we could call it something else, pile 'o scrap? Raw > Material? Foster Home for Future Projects? HELP HELP I NEED A HOME? "Pile of worthless things the members have snubbed their noses at aren't you lucky they're so generous" > > Recently I've started taking broken motherboards and expansion card and > placing them in a cardboard box as pull-apart scrap material at the > Electronics Lab, need a capacitor? Find one, de-solder it, re-use it! I've > done the same with non-functioning computer power supplies. I just want to > see these material donations get maximum use for everyone's benefit > including non-members. Thats silly. Are people looking for capacitors going to be digging through a motherboard to find that one good capacitor size that they need? Just pull off the ones you want and scrap the board. They're a dime a dozen and having boxes of otherwise broken and useless motherboards contributes to entropy and the current problem of not having enough space. SYNHAK also isn't a computer repair shop. > > I mentioned that the meeting would be interesting because I find email > terribly impersonal and easy to misunderstand (lack of body language). Much > love to everyone at here. > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Friday, December 06, 2013 23:49:35 Bethany Munyan wrote: > > > So I hope I am not jumping into this too late. I was working tonight and > > > have just gotten to my email. I think there needs to be a separated > > > > "junk" > > > > > pile and "donation" pile. I however, believe that the donation pile > > > > should > > > > > be maintained, but also be available for anyone to come up and grab > > > something they think they could use for their project. Same as the junk > > > pile, only the donation pile might consist of newer equipment. The > > > maintainer of the donation pile should work with the treasurer in > > > determining the value of the items donated and giving receipts. Since > > > > this > > > > > will need to be done, people should not be able to get to said items > > > > under > > > > > review until they have been reviewed. So possibly have a system where > > > > items > > > > > come in, get reviewed, then put into a pile for SYN/HAK use, member use, > > > random Joe off the street use (as long as Joe if hacking it for a > > > project > > > and not selling it to his neighbor Bob). Either way, we need a new > > > > system. > > > > Or instead of whoever says they're the maintainer, it can be anyone who is > > capable of reading the protocol on the wiki and performing the tasks > > needed. > > > > Maintainers shouldn't be the one single person in charge of anything. They > > should be the coordinators between contributors. If everyone starts to > > think > > that a maintainer has the final say on something in the space or that > > things > > are limited to one maintainer at most, well, we quickly run into a > > hiearchial > > system of people trying to wrestle for control over petty ideas. I believe > > that everyone in the space is responsible for the junk pile, and the > > maintainer should only make sure that everyone contributes to its upkeep. > > > > At any rate, I think the new date labeling system is a good start towards > > having a separate donation pile, especially since we don't have the space > > for > > a separate one yet. There isn't a physical separation between one day's > > donation of a box of laptops and a monitor stand that is almost ready to > > be > > deleted, but you can easily see by the dates they arrived. I think a > > useful > > addition to the system would be a set of colored stickers that maps to > > what > > day of the week something showed up. > > > > > :) Best wishes, stay warm, and happy hacking! -Beth > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > I don't really need the tax deduction but rather prefer to see the > > > > space > > > > > > grow. I happen to have the raw material but not the time to deal with > > > > it. > > > > > > The way I see it is... > > > > I donate gear. > > > > Someone sorts & fixes. > > > > The Space uses it. OR Someone Sells it. > > > > SynHak grows. > > > > > > > > Only after it serves no use to the space as a whole should it be given > > > > the > > > > > > label as junk and then it is free game! > > > > > > > > As a member in good standing I have to agree with Omar's > > > > interpretation of > > > > > > the donation path AND fully support a written and organised plan as > > > > Phillip > > > > suggested. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> I'll get some blank donation receipts drawn up so you can start to > > > > take > > > > > >> advantage of your donations on your taxes. > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >>> In the future any donations I make are to assimilated by the > > > > volunteer > > > > > >>> maintainer of the domain of that item. The items I bring in are not > > > > JUNK > > > > > >>> but rather raw materials to be used and/or blown up. > > > >>> > > > >>> https://synhak.org/wiki/Maintainers > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Torrie Fischer < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > >>> > wrote: > > > >>>> On Friday, December 06, 2013 20:33:52 Justin Herman wrote: > > > >>>> > First want to say that everyone I have ever met at synhak is > > > >>>> > cool. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > This is my POV so please take the little it is worth. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I would like to make it clear that I never intended to cause > > > > someone > > > > > >>>> to be > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > upset by donating equipment. BUT I did donate it to SynHak not an > > > >>>> > individual. I hope that everyone can understand the difference. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You did. It went into SYNHAK's pile of hackable equipment. In the > > > >>>> future, > > > >>>> please let discuss@ know in advance and put some other sign on > > > > them if > > > > > >>>> you > > > >>>> don't want donations to be hacked, but have a specific purpose in > > > > mind. > > > > > >>>> If no > > > >>>> specific purpose is in mind, please ask discuss@ to see what people > > > >>>> would want > > > >>>> to do with them. Otherwise, that entire junk pile is fair game to > > > > all > > > > > >>>> members > > > >>>> of the hacker community, excluding those who have been banned from > > > >>>> participating. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > If the items were deemed limbo property when given, they are NOT > > > >>>> > a > > > >>>> > charitable gift. I do feel that synhak should help others with > > > >>>> > > > >>>> equipment > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > either by releasing it to individuals (selling and/or giving), > > > >>>> > Loaning > > > >>>> > (under the membership loan a tool plan), or retaining it for a > > > > fixed > > > > > >>>> > community resource (like the welder or lathe or 3d Printer) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> While the junk pile /is/ free for anyone to take things from, they > > > >>>> should only > > > >>>> be taken out of the junk pile for the purpose of making. If someone > > > >>>> takes it > > > >>>> and uses it wholesale for their personal gain, thats not excellent. > > > > If > > > > > >>>> someone > > > >>>> wants to make or learn with what they see, they should be free to > > > >>>> do > > > >>>> so. That > > > >>>> is SYNHAK's purpose. I'd consider that a charitable gift since it > > > >>>> furthers > > > >>>> SYNHAK's mission of providing to the general public and environment > > > > to > > > > > >>>> "provide an environment for people to educate, create, and share > > > >>>> amongst > > > >>>> themselves and others within the domains of technology, art and > > > >>>> science." > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > When I donate items to synhak I donate them to strengthen the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> hackerspace > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > community. I know that others (like Omar and others) will take > > > >>>> > the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> precious > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > time to sift through it and determine a good communal use. This > > > >>>> > > > >>>> communal > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > use may support others to come to the space work on projects and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> provide > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > their support. Together we all support each other. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Just so its clear, the hackerspace community is a lot more than the > > > > 16 > > > > > >>>> members > > > >>>> who pay dues. The discuss list has over 100 subscribers, and our > > > >>>> meetings > > > >>>> regularly get 25+ people showing up. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > I see no reason that if a certain widget/part/item would help you > > > > in > > > > > >>>> > a > > > >>>> > personal project why synhak (as a voting membership) would not > > > > grant > > > > > >>>> that > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > property to be yours forever. BUT I don't assume anything (except > > > >>>> > consumables and items deemed JUNK) as to mine when I visit the > > > > space. > > > > > >>>> I > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > have access to them, can use them (if trained) but I don't own > > > > them. > > > > > >>>> There is a difference between property being dropped off in the > > > >>>> junk > > > >>>> pile and > > > >>>> being directly integrated into the infrastructure of the > > > > hackerspace. > > > > > >>>> > When I loan items to synhak (large fans and future items) I > > > > entrust > > > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > community to be excellent and treat them like they would other > > > > more > > > > > >>>> > expensive items (powertools, 3d printer, lathe) > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I hope everyone understands the place I am coming from even if > > > >>>> > you > > > >>>> > > > >>>> don't > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > see it the same way. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I'm not sure you and I share the same definitions, so please tell > > > > me if > > > > > >>>> I'm > > > >>>> misunderstanding: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "Hackerspace community", n - The people who use SYNHAK to be > > > > creative, > > > > > >>>> whether > > > >>>> it is through mailing list discussions, IRC conversations, > > > >>>> experimenting with > > > >>>> homebrewing, attending a class, or sharing ideas at a meeting. Able > > > > to > > > > > >>>> exercise do-ocracy within the bounds of "Be Excellent to Each > > > > Other". > > > > > >>>> Don't > > > >>>> even need to be citizens of Earth, or biological constructs. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "SYNHAK member", n - A subset of the above that has gone through > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> membership process. Doesn't get any special rights beyond being > > > >>>> permitted to > > > >>>> participate in our governance process through consensus, acceptance > > > > of > > > > > >>>> new > > > >>>> members to the governance process, holding office, key access, and > > > >>>> minimal > > > >>>> storage. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "Donating to SYNHAK", v - Giving property to SYNHAK that further > > > >>>> enables the > > > >>>> organization's mission to provide an environment for people to > > > > educate, > > > > > >>>> create, and share amongst themselves and others within the domains > > > > of > > > > > >>>> technology, art, and science. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "Tax deductable donation", n - A donation to SYNHAK that gets a > > > > reciept > > > > > >>>> in > > > >>>> return, and should be handled through the Treasurer. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > /end rant > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Much Love > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Justin > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>> > > On Friday, December 06, 2013 15:43:22 Omar Rassi wrote: > > > >>>> > > > Philip, > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > First, you are right about the confusion about the junk pile > > > > and > > > > > >>>> > > donations > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > pile. I discussed this with a Champion and we are clarifying > > > > this > > > > > >>>> VERY > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > soon > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > because it is very important to avoid this kind of confusion. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Second, to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > dispel any feeling that anyone was worried about you, that is > > > >>>> > > > >>>> false, I > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > put > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > it back in the storage room because that is our storage room > > > > for > > > > > >>>> member > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > projects and synhak property. The recent donations had not > > > > gone > > > > > >>>> their > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > because they had not been sorted yet. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > Except it isn't SYNHAK property. It is stuff that *nobody* > > > > wants to > > > > > >>>> do > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > anything with. If someone claims something from the donation > > > > pile, > > > > > >>>> then > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > they > > > >>>> > > are free to do whatever they want with it, but it needs to > > > >>>> > > leave > > > >>>> > > > >>>> that > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > area. If > > > >>>> > > their next step is to fit it into SYNHAK's infrastructure, then > > > > it > > > > > >>>> remains > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > SYNHAK's. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > If their next step is to make something, then I feel that > > > > they're > > > > > >>>> free to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > claim it as their own, *regardless of membership status*. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Seriously, you > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > don't > > > >>>> > > need to be a member to stop in one day of the year and happen > > > >>>> > > to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> see the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > exact > > > >>>> > > hardware that you need to finish your project. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > We are an infrastructure provider for creative people. Part of > > > > that > > > > > >>>> > > infrastructure is having a physical location for people to drop > > > > off > > > > > >>>> unused > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > equipment and others to use it to continue to create. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > We are not an infrastructure provider for members of SYNHAK. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Members of > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > SYNHAK > > > >>>> > > support the hackerspace. They are not the hackerspace. They > > > > provide > > > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > funds > > > >>>> > > to keep the lights on and have the right to shape the space > > > > through > > > > > >>>> direct > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > involvement, as opposed to trying to convince someone who can > > > > to do > > > > > >>>> it for > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > them. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > I was not able to get to the rest of the computing equipment > > > >>>> > > > >>>> until the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > festivities were over and I have done so, though the desktops > > > >>>> > > > >>>> have not > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > yet > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > been looked at. I have no issues with helping anyone with > > > > their > > > > > >>>> computer > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > equipment and answering questions and I am more than happy to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> help you > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > with > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > your HP as I'm an experience repair technician however, that > > > >>>> > > > >>>> particular > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > HP > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > that was in the donation pile is of great use to synhak and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> should not > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > have > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > been left at the junk pile (the differentiation between junk > > > > and > > > > > >>>> > > donations > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > will be rectified). > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > Of the donation of those computer equipment, I have already > > > >>>> > > > >>>> identified > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > some > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > things that going right back to the junk pile as it is just > > > > too > > > > > >>>> old to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > be > > > >>>> > > > of use to synhak, newer equipment may be put to use as a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> computer, for a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > project or resold to maintain our operating funds. I expect > > > > that > > > > > >>>> this > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > will > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > be an important topic of discussion this coming meeting, > > > > fleshing > > > > > >>>> out a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > clear and precise donation/scrapping procedure (I hate the > > > > word > > > > > >>>> policy). > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > I > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > was a manager for a thrift store for a time so I'll see about > > > >>>> > > > >>>> drafting a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > generic procedure for the membership to modify as we choose. > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > The basic foundation of all donations to Synhak is that it > > > >>>> > > > >>>> belongs to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Synhak until we (by we, I mean any member, it doesn't have to > > > > be > > > > > >>>> me, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > I.E. A > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > No. No, no, no, no. Please see above. The stuff in the junk > > > > pile is > > > > > >>>> *not* > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > automatically SYNHAK's property! Just because it shows up > > > > doesn't > > > > > >>>> mean it > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > is > > > >>>> > > instantly part of our infrastructure. This is a very dangerous > > > >>>> > > > >>>> idea, as it > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > restricts access to our resources to only people who pay their > > > > dues > > > > > >>>> and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > have > > > >>>> > > jumped through the hoops to become a full member. Again, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> infrastructure > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > provider. Not members-only workshop. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > member appropriated something from the recent donations for > > > > his > > > > > >>>> own > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > project > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > before I got a chance to look at it and therefore it is not > > > >>>> > > > >>>> included in > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > my > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > recent report) can determine their future purpose, we are not > > > > a > > > > > >>>> > > > recycling > > > >>>> > > > facility for e-waste, but will work with members, the > > > > community, > > > > > >>>> and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > local > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > recycling centers to ensure all donations get maximum > > > > use/reuse. > > > > > >>>> The > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > general public may then use recent donations during our open > > > >>>> > > > >>>> hours once > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > our > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > members have had enough time to figure out what these > > > > donations > > > > > >>>> can be > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > used > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > for, ALL of the equipment seen at synhak, computers, > > > >>>> > > > monitors, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> mixers, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > soldering tools, welders, saws, power tools, projector, etc. > > > > were > > > > > >>>> > > > donated > > > >>>> > > > and then repaired/refurbished and then set up for public use. > > > > I > > > > > >>>> promise > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > that everyone will get a chance to use donations including > > > >>>> > > > the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> general > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > public but we have to think about our members and our > > > > operating > > > > > >>>> costs > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > first. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > That is not the protocol. If it is, please correct me so it can > > > > get > > > > > >>>> > > changed > > > >>>> > > through the proper channel of a proposal. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > I sincerely apologize for the confusion this has caused and I > > > >>>> > > > feel > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > horrible > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > for the disappointment. I am working as quickly as I can to > > > > sort > > > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > equipment so they can be put to good use. > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Philip P. Patnode < > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >wrote: > > > >>>> > > > > *Suggestions for consideration by SYNHAK members -* > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > *To avoid confusion, disappointment, and wasting time on > > > >>>> > > > >>>> projects that > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > will never happen, I suggest that the JUNK PILE (clearly > > > > marked > > > > > >>>> with a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > sign, usage policy established) be separated from the > > > >>>> > > > > RECENT > > > >>>> > > > >>>> DONATIONS > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > PILE > > > >>>> > > > > (not marked, no policy) and I suggest **a formal SH policy > > > > be > > > > > >>>> > > established > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > for donations.* > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > *In my opinion, two things need to happen at SYNHAK > > > > regarding > > > > > >>>> future > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > donations.* > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > *One*, *the SH policy* on all donations - from any source, > > > > of > > > > > >>>> any kind > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > - > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > needs to be clearly stated and communicated to all members > > > > and > > > > > >>>> > > > > non-members, > > > >>>> > > > > in print or by email or as added text on the SH webpage or > > > > all > > > > > >>>> three. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > *Two*,* the physical location* at SH for recent hardware > > > >>>> > > > >>>> donations > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > needs > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > to be clearly marked with a sign/appropriate comments. For > > > >>>> > > > >>>> example, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > "Don't > > > >>>> > > > > Take" or "Not Available" or "Death by Laser" or "To Be > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Evaluated" > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > might be > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > used to convey the message. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >>>> --- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >>>> --- > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > ------------------ > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > Here is the back story behind the suggestions. My > > > >>>> > > > > apologies > > > >>>> > > > >>>> for the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > length and details necessary to tell the story. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > At about 7.15pm last night, because of the delay over the > > > >>>> > > > > turkey > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > cooking > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > experiment, I spent some time taking a casual look at the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> contents of > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > the > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > hardware junk pile near the entrance to the main room. > > > > Looked > > > > > >>>> at and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > dug > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > through lots of boxes and shelves full of stuff, all under > > > >>>> > > > > a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> sign > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > indicating that all of it was in the correct place - the > > > > Junk > > > > > >>>> Pile. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > Much to my surprise, I found a HP g7 series laptop that was > > > >>>> > > > > very > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > similar > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > to the HP g7-1019wm that I had brought with me to SH last > > > >>>> > > > >>>> night, in > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > the > > > >>>> > > > > hope of finding someone to help me diagnose/identify the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> problems and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > guide > > > >>>> > > > > me through the repair process. The HP I brought is a > > > > personal > > > > > >>>> laptop > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > and > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > not an item I plan to sell on eBay or Craigslist. It has a > > > > bad > > > > > >>>> > > > > cooling > > > >>>> > > > > fan > > > >>>> > > > > (does not rotate - ever), a glitchy on/off switch, and two > > > > keys > > > > > >>>> > > damaged - > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > the K and the L, and maybe other problems. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > A long-time full member of SH (not to be named) stopped by > > > > to > > > > > >>>> chat and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > discuss the situation with me. During the conversation, he > > > >>>> > > > >>>> made it > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > very > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > clear that I could "claim" the donated item I found in the > > > > junk > > > > > >>>> pile > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > and > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > use parts from it to fix my laptop. He was aware that I am > > > > not > > > > > >>>> a > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > sponsored > > > >>>> > > > > member of SH, only a recent interested person who likes the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> concept of > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > SH > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > and has made an effort to swim with the rolling tide. As > > > > the > > > > > >>>> turkey > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > frying > > > >>>> > > > > situation was still developing out on the loading deck, I > > > > spent > > > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > next > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > 45 > > > >>>> > > > > minutes doing some online research about the specs for both > > > > HP > > > > > >>>> laptops > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > and > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > going through the HP support forums to read the comments > > > > about > > > > > >>>> similar > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > problems. I was on page two of my notes when a dark cloud > > > >>>> > > > >>>> appeared on > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > the > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > horizon. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > My joy of finding a possible solution to my laptop problem > > > >>>> > > > >>>> turned to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > serious disappointment and frustration when another > > > > long-time > > > > > >>>> full > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > member > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > of SH (again, not to be named) approached and summarily > > > >>>> > > > >>>> declared that > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > the > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > donated item was not available to me or anyone else, but > > > > would > > > > > >>>> be > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > retained > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > by SH to be diagnosed and possibly repaired and used by SH > > > > or > > > > > >>>> sold for > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > cash. There was no room allowed for any further discussion > > > >>>> > > > >>>> about the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > donated laptop. Do'ocracy in action? > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > As a non-member, with no power, no influence, no > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ace-in-the-hole, and > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > definitely no say about anything regarding anything at SH, > > > >>>> > > > > I > > > >>>> > > > >>>> tried to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > minimize my comments and watched as the member picked up > > > >>>> > > > > the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> laptop > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > off > > > >>>> > > > > the > > > >>>> > > > > work area where I had it and proceeded to disassemble it on > > > >>>> > > > >>>> another > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > bench, > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > check out a few items, and put it back together again. He > > > > then > > > > > >>>> moved > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > to a > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > back room, out of sight and out of reach, as if he was > > > >>>> > > > >>>> concerned that > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > it > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > would find a way back to the junk pile, or worse, out to > > > >>>> > > > >>>> someone's car > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > and > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > disappear forever. The series of actions by the member > > > > almost > > > > > >>>> > > appeared > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > as > > > >>>> > > > > if he was worried I would run off with the donated HP > > > > moment he > > > > > >>>> turned > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > his > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > back on it, although I might be entirely in error about his > > > >>>> > > > >>>> thoughts > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > on > > > >>>> > > > > the > > > >>>> > > > > matter. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > The names of the SH members who were involved are not > > > > essential > > > > > >>>> to the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > issue and are not the basis for the suggestions. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Personalities play > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > no > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > part in my suggestion to take action on the matter of > > > > donations > > > > > >>>> to SH. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > Only turkey feathers should be ruffled, as I am not making > > > >>>> > > > >>>> this an > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > issue > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > about any particular member. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > On a final note, I would consider buying the donated HP g7 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> series > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > laptop > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > from SH at a reasonable price to use for parts or repair, > > > > if it > > > > > >>>> is > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > available now or becomes available in the near future. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > In the meantime, I will avoid even looking at anything > > > > within > > > > > >>>> 10ft of > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > the > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > combo donations/junk pile. I don't want to get my hope up > > > > and > > > > > >>>> then > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > have > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > it > > > >>>> > > > > dashed again. > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > Philip > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > >>>> > > > > [email protected] > > > >>>> > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> > > Discuss mailing list > > > >>>> > > [email protected] > > > >>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> Discuss mailing list > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Discuss mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
