On Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:11:15 Andrew Buczko wrote: > To do it right we will need more time and money, two things that we don't > have, heck we still have to fix the ceiling first. Plus if you take out the > wall you then have to fix the ceiling, who wants to look at a bunch of > gaps? Plus fixing the ceiling will take more money that we don't have. > Removing all the walls will make it harder to hear the space.
Ah yes, I forgot how I'm literally the only person capable of fixing holes in ceilings. Sorry, my apologies, I'll immediately stop all my other contributions and focus on fixing that one hole. Furthermore, we as a society have not solved the issue of homelessness. I am proposing that we immediately dissolve SYNHAK and redouble our efforts towards this issue of much higher importance. Seriously though, I'm taking out that room. The only argument I am hearing from anyone is that "there are other things that need done!" Thats fine. Go do them. I'm doing what I perceive to be the most effective use of my time, energy, and skills. Just because there are other things that need done does not mean they are the only things that should get done. This is do-ocracy. I am doocractaly deciding to turn the front office into a welcome bar area and general common office supply storage. To stop that, a better idea must come forth and be implemented with or without my help. Discussing hypotheticals and saying "Here's what I think!" is not doing. Grabbing tools and hacking is doing. > > It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you take it > away then all we'll have is big empty space. We need some rooms to divide > things off. Yes that office is small but we don't have the money to build > new walls. So we'll raise more funds and build more walls. Actually, lets try and pay our bills first. Remember how we're losing $300 this month, nobody wants to raise dues, and I still want to stop paying $250/mo, and we're sub-leasing out space already to try and cover things? Y'all are insane. > > I'm in favor of building accordion walls for the back 40 that can be used > to divide that large section into 3 separate areas. But that will have to > wait for more finances or free wood. It would be really nice to have some walls in the back half, but that won't happen until they happen. So lets work with what we have, which includes that $120 buildout money that we still have. > > My thoughts on the kitchen is right in the back in front of the basement > stairs, or in the middle of the back 40. But I'm not sure. I would like to > set the kitchen up in both spots to see what feels right. Yes but I think the bikeshed should be painted red because it is a more energetic color and will invigorate me before my commute. I'm pretty sure Devin is already building plumbing to put a kitchen into the middle of the back. I'm pretty sure I'm also already budgeting my own funds to move the machine shop to occupy the garage so that it doesn't take up the whole back half and constructing one new wall is all that is needed. > > Also, this discussion should be moved to the Build mailing list. > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Sunday, January 19, 2014 00:33:16 Omar Rassi wrote: > > > >1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the > > > > > > closet/shelves? > > > > > > Torrie's argument is compelling, though I leaned towards keeping the > > > room > > > as is, I am now indifferent to walls up or down. > > > > > > >2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? > > > >Crafts? > > > > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? > > > > Lounge? > > > > > Etc etc. > > > > > > I had envisioned a place where Synhak Inc. office could go. A place > > > where > > > the office of secretary, treasurer, and the champions, could work on the > > > not so exciting parts of running a non-profit with minimal distraction > > > > from > > > > > hackers hacking. It would be a room to keep important paper records that > > > > we > > > > > are required to have on file in a controlled place to prevent tampering > > > (we've never had an issue with this in the past, its just a perspective > > > > of > > > > > assurance from a 3rd party perspective i.e. How can we guarantee the > > > records are true if anyone can walk in and change the paper documents > > > > when > > > > > a member's back is turned?) > > > > > > >3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it does > > > > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use the > > > > space? > > > > > A bolted and locked file cabinet and appropriate file permissions > > > (read-write access for officers and champions, read-only access for > > > everyone else) placed on a workstation designated for office use can > > > accomplish the same records assurance mentioned above while keeping the > > > digital copies open and transparent. So perhaps a walled off area may > > > not > > > be necessary as I previously thought. Objectively thinking about it, > > > creating a welcome area out of that room would not lessen my desire to > > > > use > > > > > the space and could provide a wow factor for visitors and guests, I can > > > think of alternatives to achieve my desired goals for a Synhak Inc. > > > > Office. > > > > Thank you. It is important that we all try to be as pragmatic as possible > > when > > considering how to best allocate the finite volume we have available to > > us. I > > feel the quantity of shared space should be maximized as it gives others > > the > > broadest canvas that this building can provide, until it becomes more > > beneficial to the community to do otherwise. > > > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 22:26:49 Omar Rassi wrote: > > > > > There may be some miscommunication/misunderstanding about the front > > > > room > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > 48 Summit St. So lets talk about what to do with that room. > > > > > > > > > > The original plan was to remove all the walls, shelving and > > > > cabinetry to > > > > > > > give us a large open area to do what we wish with and turn one of > > > > > its > > > > > > > > walls > > > > > > > > > into a welcome bar like at the old space. However, it appears that > > > > some > > > > > > > members want to keep the small office-ish type room for various > > > > reasons > > > > > > > (each person in favor of keeping the room has a different idea). So > > > > lets > > > > > > > discuss! > > > > > > > > > > Key points of discussion: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the > > > > > closet/shelves? > > > > > > > > I would prefer to remove the closet side wall of that room and create > > > > a > > > > new > > > > welcome bar from the other wall of the room by cutting it to only a > > > > few > > > > feet > > > > tall. This would create a very open and inviting physical space. > > > > > > > > > 2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? > > > > Crafts? > > > > > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? > > > > > > > > Lounge? > > > > > > > > > Etc etc. > > > > > > > > If someone is intending on turning it into some form of member > > > > storage, > > > > SYNHAK, Inc office, or server closet, I think it would be wise to > > > > remember > > > > > > that we have a massive basement that has not yet been spoken for in > > > > any > > > > significant capacity and will likely see the smallest fraction of > > > > actual > > > > > > foot > > > > traffic in proportion to the floor space. > > > > > > > > Additionally, why would you want something so obviously meant to be > > > > hidden > > > > > > and > > > > out of the way *immediately next to the front door*? Thats just not > > > > good > > > > > > feng > > > > shui. > > > > > > > > > 3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it > > > > does > > > > > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use > > > > > the > > > > > > > > space? > > > > > > > > I feel it creates a walled off area of a space that is otherwise open > > > > to > > > > > > everyone. It implies that there is some private part of the space that > > > > you're > > > > not allowed to visit, and it is immediately at the front entrance. The > > > > building already has enough cubicle-dungeon-like attributes without > > > > functional > > > > windows up front. > > > > > > > > > For reference please see the floorplan of 48 Summit St. at > > > > > http://calculais.com/syn/syncalled.pdf and Synhak's google plus > > > > page at > > > > > > > https://plus.google.com/104182820750454997283 for pictures of 48 > > > > Summit > > > > > > St > > > > > > > > > pre-renovation. The bottom of the floorplan page is where the > > > > entrance > > > > > > > is > > > > > (Front door is angled) the room in question is directly to the right > > > > of > > > > > > > that, the specific wall to come down is to the right of the room's > > > > door > > > > > > > with the wall closest to the front door being turned into a welcome > > > > bar > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > with the old space. Remember that this is simply discussion where > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > can voice their concerns. Ultimately this should be decided no later > > > > > than > > > > > Tuesday's meeting by the membership as per our self-governance > > > > process ( > > > > > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Governance) so we can get a move on with > > > > this > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > > and once decided put it behind us. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
