I shouldn't have to explain this... Every time you start a project you run into expenses. Yes we can recycle what materials we have but there's always something else needed to get the project done.
Personally, I'm done with this, so & so already started tearing out the wall, so fuck it! lets just gut the whole fucking place! On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > Andy, I also emailed the start of this thread to [email protected], > discuss is what responded first. > > A few questions for you Andy: > >It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you take > it away then all we'll have is big empty space. > > It won't be empty, it would be built into the welcome bar. The whole > reason we moved to 48 Summit is because we need more space, are you saying > we now have too much? How does keeping the walls make it less empty? > > >we don't have the money to build new walls. > > Why would we need to build new walls there? Why would a Synhak office > absolutely require walls? If a separate office is needed, a walled off > area right by the front door is not a good place to have one, so a room to > our specifications would need to be constructed anyway but in a different > place at the space as a long term project > > >heck we still have to fix the ceiling first. Plus if you take out the > wall you then have to fix the ceiling, who wants to look at a bunch of gaps? > > That's a good point. Was this part of the ceiling not included in our > estimates regarding roof repair? What is required to fix it, how much wood? > how much in ceiling tile? Can we get a hardware store to donate the > materials for a donation tax receipt? > > Andrew, you're right remodeling is expensive, we still have plenty of wood > at our disposal and we've reclaimed even more from both 21 W North and 48 > Summit. what do we think are the expenses associated with turning the room > into a welcome area/paperwork repository? And what materials and expertise > do we already have on hand to make it happen? I can think of floor tileand > ceiling repair though I have very little experience with carpentry and > building repair so I couldn't begin to guess how much work and material > would be needed. > > Thank you for sharing. > > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I thunk it would be nice if that area were a reception type desk welcome >> bar type structure that housed paper work. As far as walks are concerned i >> think half height walls would be nice as this allows people to see the >> whole space but still restricts access to documents. locked drawers they >> are only open during filing keeps privacy concerns satisfied but still >> allows for any member to get blank forms for visitors. >> >> That said remodeling is expensive, we have other more pressing expenses >> like getting up to code properly installed outlets in the main shop so >> people can hack. I think we need to prioritize our spending and realize we >> can't do it all at the same time. For me removing existing infrastructure >> only to modify it slightly is a frivolous expense we can't shots right now. >> We should save for and do it this year, in the next six months money >> permitting. >> >> Also every project we start now is one more we have to finish by opening >> day. And we already have quite a list. >> >> regards, >> Andrew L >> On Jan 19, 2014 1:12 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 00:33:16 Omar Rassi wrote: >>> > >1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the >>> > >>> > closet/shelves? >>> > >>> > Torrie's argument is compelling, though I leaned towards keeping the >>> room >>> > as is, I am now indifferent to walls up or down. >>> > >>> > >2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? >>> Crafts? >>> > >>> > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? >>> Lounge? >>> > Etc etc. >>> > >>> > I had envisioned a place where Synhak Inc. office could go. A place >>> where >>> > the office of secretary, treasurer, and the champions, could work on >>> the >>> > not so exciting parts of running a non-profit with minimal distraction >>> from >>> > hackers hacking. It would be a room to keep important paper records >>> that we >>> > are required to have on file in a controlled place to prevent tampering >>> > (we've never had an issue with this in the past, its just a >>> perspective of >>> > assurance from a 3rd party perspective i.e. How can we guarantee the >>> > records are true if anyone can walk in and change the paper documents >>> when >>> > a member's back is turned?) >>> > >>> > >3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it >>> does >>> > >>> > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use the >>> space? >>> > >>> > A bolted and locked file cabinet and appropriate file permissions >>> > (read-write access for officers and champions, read-only access for >>> > everyone else) placed on a workstation designated for office use can >>> > accomplish the same records assurance mentioned above while keeping the >>> > digital copies open and transparent. So perhaps a walled off area may >>> not >>> > be necessary as I previously thought. Objectively thinking about it, >>> > creating a welcome area out of that room would not lessen my desire to >>> use >>> > the space and could provide a wow factor for visitors and guests, I can >>> > think of alternatives to achieve my desired goals for a Synhak Inc. >>> Office. >>> >>> Thank you. It is important that we all try to be as pragmatic as >>> possible when >>> considering how to best allocate the finite volume we have available to >>> us. I >>> feel the quantity of shared space should be maximized as it gives others >>> the >>> broadest canvas that this building can provide, until it becomes more >>> beneficial to the community to do otherwise. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Torrie Fischer >>> > >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 22:26:49 Omar Rassi wrote: >>> > > > There may be some miscommunication/misunderstanding about the >>> front room >>> > > >>> > > at >>> > > >>> > > > 48 Summit St. So lets talk about what to do with that room. >>> > > > >>> > > > The original plan was to remove all the walls, shelving and >>> cabinetry to >>> > > > give us a large open area to do what we wish with and turn one of >>> its >>> > > >>> > > walls >>> > > >>> > > > into a welcome bar like at the old space. However, it appears that >>> some >>> > > > members want to keep the small office-ish type room for various >>> reasons >>> > > > (each person in favor of keeping the room has a different idea). >>> So lets >>> > > > discuss! >>> > > > >>> > > > Key points of discussion: >>> > > > >>> > > > 1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the >>> > > > closet/shelves? >>> > > >>> > > I would prefer to remove the closet side wall of that room and >>> create a >>> > > new >>> > > welcome bar from the other wall of the room by cutting it to only a >>> few >>> > > feet >>> > > tall. This would create a very open and inviting physical space. >>> > > >>> > > > 2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? >>> Crafts? >>> > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? >>> > > >>> > > Lounge? >>> > > >>> > > > Etc etc. >>> > > >>> > > If someone is intending on turning it into some form of member >>> storage, >>> > > SYNHAK, Inc office, or server closet, I think it would be wise to >>> remember >>> > > that we have a massive basement that has not yet been spoken for in >>> any >>> > > significant capacity and will likely see the smallest fraction of >>> actual >>> > > foot >>> > > traffic in proportion to the floor space. >>> > > >>> > > Additionally, why would you want something so obviously meant to be >>> hidden >>> > > and >>> > > out of the way *immediately next to the front door*? Thats just not >>> good >>> > > feng >>> > > shui. >>> > > >>> > > > 3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it >>> does >>> > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use >>> the >>> > > >>> > > space? >>> > > >>> > > I feel it creates a walled off area of a space that is otherwise >>> open to >>> > > everyone. It implies that there is some private part of the space >>> that >>> > > you're >>> > > not allowed to visit, and it is immediately at the front entrance. >>> The >>> > > building already has enough cubicle-dungeon-like attributes without >>> > > functional >>> > > windows up front. >>> > > >>> > > > For reference please see the floorplan of 48 Summit St. at >>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/syncalled.pdf and Synhak's google plus >>> page at >>> > > > https://plus.google.com/104182820750454997283 for pictures of 48 >>> Summit >>> > > >>> > > St >>> > > >>> > > > pre-renovation. The bottom of the floorplan page is where the >>> entrance >>> > > > is >>> > > > (Front door is angled) the room in question is directly to the >>> right of >>> > > > that, the specific wall to come down is to the right of the room's >>> door >>> > > > with the wall closest to the front door being turned into a >>> welcome bar >>> > > >>> > > as >>> > > >>> > > > with the old space. Remember that this is simply discussion where >>> > > >>> > > everyone >>> > > >>> > > > can voice their concerns. Ultimately this should be decided no >>> later >>> > > > than >>> > > > Tuesday's meeting by the membership as per our self-governance >>> process ( >>> > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Governance) so we can get a move on with >>> this >>> > > >>> > > area >>> > > >>> > > > and once decided put it behind us. >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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