On Sunday, January 19, 2014 20:30:43 a l wrote: > Especially for the short term I think opening up the wall by the door and > turning it into a half height wall is the most economic option. This could > have a counter top for filling out paper work and using the kiosk. The rest > of the room would remain largely intact providing a few lockable drawers > for Officer use. The rest could be used for other SynHak, Inc. related > paperwork such as forms and flyers. > > I don't see why this area isn't the perfect area to have the SynHak, Inc. > office. A) it's already there and not a terribly large space to set aside > B) Having forms such as new member applications, liability waivers, flyers, > and other promotional items as the first thing visitors see makes the most > sense. We want someone who wanders in off the street and has no idea what a > hackerspace is to be greeted with a guided tour and explanation, if not by > a knowledgeable member then by our promotional material. If the door just > opens up into the pandemonium that frequently is SynHak they're going to > get information overload. Having a small island of calm in the storm will > help them get acclimated before we deluge them with cool toys, projects, > and eccentric makers. > Burying these forms and items in the basement or sacrificing a portion of > the warehouse seems silly to me. Especially when the high ceilings in the > warehouse are much better suited for hacking. > The other consideration is once we begin tearing down more walls we'll have > to replace all the wood paneling. I'm not against doing that....eventually > but I think for the near term(4-6Months) we can spend money on properly > installed electric, new tools, repairing old tools(ie the broken carriage > on the 3D printer), getting a sweet sign for the front, and other > infrastructure.
I'm 100% certain that the carriage isn't broken, since I saw it last night. > > regards, > Andrew L > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Andy, I also emailed the start of this thread to [email protected], > > discuss is what responded first. > > > > A few questions for you Andy: > > >It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you take > > > > it away then all we'll have is big empty space. > > > > It won't be empty, it would be built into the welcome bar. The whole > > reason we moved to 48 Summit is because we need more space, are you saying > > we now have too much? How does keeping the walls make it less empty? > > > > >we don't have the money to build new walls. > > > > Why would we need to build new walls there? Why would a Synhak office > > absolutely require walls? If a separate office is needed, a walled off > > area right by the front door is not a good place to have one, so a room to > > our specifications would need to be constructed anyway but in a different > > place at the space as a long term project > > > > >heck we still have to fix the ceiling first. Plus if you take out the > > > > wall you then have to fix the ceiling, who wants to look at a bunch of > > gaps? > > > > That's a good point. Was this part of the ceiling not included in our > > estimates regarding roof repair? What is required to fix it, how much > > wood? > > how much in ceiling tile? Can we get a hardware store to donate the > > materials for a donation tax receipt? > > > > Andrew, you're right remodeling is expensive, we still have plenty of wood > > at our disposal and we've reclaimed even more from both 21 W North and 48 > > Summit. what do we think are the expenses associated with turning the room > > into a welcome area/paperwork repository? And what materials and expertise > > do we already have on hand to make it happen? I can think of floor tileand > > ceiling repair though I have very little experience with carpentry and > > building repair so I couldn't begin to guess how much work and material > > would be needed. > > > > Thank you for sharing. > > > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I thunk it would be nice if that area were a reception type desk welcome > >> bar type structure that housed paper work. As far as walks are concerned > >> i > >> think half height walls would be nice as this allows people to see the > >> whole space but still restricts access to documents. locked drawers they > >> are only open during filing keeps privacy concerns satisfied but still > >> allows for any member to get blank forms for visitors. > >> > >> That said remodeling is expensive, we have other more pressing expenses > >> like getting up to code properly installed outlets in the main shop so > >> people can hack. I think we need to prioritize our spending and realize > >> we > >> can't do it all at the same time. For me removing existing infrastructure > >> only to modify it slightly is a frivolous expense we can't shots right > >> now. > >> We should save for and do it this year, in the next six months money > >> permitting. > >> > >> Also every project we start now is one more we have to finish by opening > >> day. And we already have quite a list. > >> > >> regards, > >> Andrew L > >> On Jan 19, 2014 1:12 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 00:33:16 Omar Rassi wrote: > >>> > >1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the > >>> > > >>> > closet/shelves? > >>> > > >>> > Torrie's argument is compelling, though I leaned towards keeping the > >>> > >>> room > >>> > >>> > as is, I am now indifferent to walls up or down. > >>> > > >>> > >2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? > >>> > >>> Crafts? > >>> > >>> > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? > >>> > >>> Lounge? > >>> > >>> > Etc etc. > >>> > > >>> > I had envisioned a place where Synhak Inc. office could go. A place > >>> > >>> where > >>> > >>> > the office of secretary, treasurer, and the champions, could work on > >>> > >>> the > >>> > >>> > not so exciting parts of running a non-profit with minimal distraction > >>> > >>> from > >>> > >>> > hackers hacking. It would be a room to keep important paper records > >>> > >>> that we > >>> > >>> > are required to have on file in a controlled place to prevent > >>> > tampering > >>> > (we've never had an issue with this in the past, its just a > >>> > >>> perspective of > >>> > >>> > assurance from a 3rd party perspective i.e. How can we guarantee the > >>> > records are true if anyone can walk in and change the paper documents > >>> > >>> when > >>> > >>> > a member's back is turned?) > >>> > > >>> > >3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it > >>> > >>> does > >>> > >>> > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use the > >>> > >>> space? > >>> > >>> > A bolted and locked file cabinet and appropriate file permissions > >>> > (read-write access for officers and champions, read-only access for > >>> > everyone else) placed on a workstation designated for office use can > >>> > accomplish the same records assurance mentioned above while keeping > >>> > the > >>> > digital copies open and transparent. So perhaps a walled off area may > >>> > >>> not > >>> > >>> > be necessary as I previously thought. Objectively thinking about it, > >>> > creating a welcome area out of that room would not lessen my desire to > >>> > >>> use > >>> > >>> > the space and could provide a wow factor for visitors and guests, I > >>> > can > >>> > think of alternatives to achieve my desired goals for a Synhak Inc. > >>> > >>> Office. > >>> > >>> Thank you. It is important that we all try to be as pragmatic as > >>> possible when > >>> considering how to best allocate the finite volume we have available to > >>> us. I > >>> feel the quantity of shared space should be maximized as it gives others > >>> the > >>> broadest canvas that this building can provide, until it becomes more > >>> beneficial to the community to do otherwise. > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Torrie Fischer > >>> > > >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 22:26:49 Omar Rassi wrote: > >>> > > > There may be some miscommunication/misunderstanding about the > >>> > >>> front room > >>> > >>> > > at > >>> > > > >>> > > > 48 Summit St. So lets talk about what to do with that room. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > The original plan was to remove all the walls, shelving and > >>> > >>> cabinetry to > >>> > >>> > > > give us a large open area to do what we wish with and turn one of > >>> > >>> its > >>> > >>> > > walls > >>> > > > >>> > > > into a welcome bar like at the old space. However, it appears that > >>> > >>> some > >>> > >>> > > > members want to keep the small office-ish type room for various > >>> > >>> reasons > >>> > >>> > > > (each person in favor of keeping the room has a different idea). > >>> > >>> So lets > >>> > >>> > > > discuss! > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Key points of discussion: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > 1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the > >>> > > > closet/shelves? > >>> > > > >>> > > I would prefer to remove the closet side wall of that room and > >>> > >>> create a > >>> > >>> > > new > >>> > > welcome bar from the other wall of the room by cutting it to only a > >>> > >>> few > >>> > >>> > > feet > >>> > > tall. This would create a very open and inviting physical space. > >>> > > > >>> > > > 2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? > >>> > >>> Crafts? > >>> > >>> > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? > >>> > > > >>> > > Lounge? > >>> > > > >>> > > > Etc etc. > >>> > > > >>> > > If someone is intending on turning it into some form of member > >>> > >>> storage, > >>> > >>> > > SYNHAK, Inc office, or server closet, I think it would be wise to > >>> > >>> remember > >>> > >>> > > that we have a massive basement that has not yet been spoken for in > >>> > >>> any > >>> > >>> > > significant capacity and will likely see the smallest fraction of > >>> > >>> actual > >>> > >>> > > foot > >>> > > traffic in proportion to the floor space. > >>> > > > >>> > > Additionally, why would you want something so obviously meant to be > >>> > >>> hidden > >>> > >>> > > and > >>> > > out of the way *immediately next to the front door*? Thats just not > >>> > >>> good > >>> > >>> > > feng > >>> > > shui. > >>> > > > >>> > > > 3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it > >>> > >>> does > >>> > >>> > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use > >>> > >>> the > >>> > >>> > > space? > >>> > > > >>> > > I feel it creates a walled off area of a space that is otherwise > >>> > >>> open to > >>> > >>> > > everyone. It implies that there is some private part of the space > >>> > >>> that > >>> > >>> > > you're > >>> > > not allowed to visit, and it is immediately at the front entrance. > >>> > >>> The > >>> > >>> > > building already has enough cubicle-dungeon-like attributes without > >>> > > functional > >>> > > windows up front. > >>> > > > >>> > > > For reference please see the floorplan of 48 Summit St. at > >>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/syncalled.pdf and Synhak's google plus > >>> > >>> page at > >>> > >>> > > > https://plus.google.com/104182820750454997283 for pictures of 48 > >>> > >>> Summit > >>> > >>> > > St > >>> > > > >>> > > > pre-renovation. The bottom of the floorplan page is where the > >>> > >>> entrance > >>> > >>> > > > is > >>> > > > (Front door is angled) the room in question is directly to the > >>> > >>> right of > >>> > >>> > > > that, the specific wall to come down is to the right of the room's > >>> > >>> door > >>> > >>> > > > with the wall closest to the front door being turned into a > >>> > >>> welcome bar > >>> > >>> > > as > >>> > > > >>> > > > with the old space. Remember that this is simply discussion where > >>> > > > >>> > > everyone > >>> > > > >>> > > > can voice their concerns. Ultimately this should be decided no > >>> > >>> later > >>> > >>> > > > than > >>> > > > Tuesday's meeting by the membership as per our self-governance > >>> > >>> process ( > >>> > >>> > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Governance) so we can get a move on with > >>> > >>> this > >>> > >>> > > area > >>> > > > >>> > > > and once decided put it behind us. > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Discuss mailing list > >>> > > [email protected] > >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
