Andrew L, I agree, we all love Synhak and want the best for our new space but we must refrain from passionate sarcasm and profanity during discussion, its not acceptable during meetings nor should it be during discussion. From this thread, there is a very strong and compelling argument from more than one person for bringing down the walls in the front room, turning one wall into a welcome bar.
Currently, having a walled off restricted area is not in keeping with Synhak's philosophy. The admin computer I had set up before plus our document github should be more than sufficient sufficient to store and maintain any documentation or office related work that needs done by an officer in the event an officer doesn't have access to their own computer to do it with. When Synhak grows large enough to warrant a dedicated office space, then we'll revisit the subject. My mind's eye is seeing the area becoming a place to make it easy to find to more information on Synhak, access to membership and liability forms, showcase sample projects (like the hard drive speakers Dialbot, etc). like the the kiosk that was at 21 W. North but version 2.0. essentially an excellent first sight for new visitors and guests of Synhak. For now, lets get the area ready for that by taking down the wall, making the bar height section of the other wall, and continue the renovations and repair that must take place anyway regardless of what happens to the wall. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > Firstly I realize people are passionate about the space and making it > better but if we could leave dismissive, explicit, and excessively > sarcastic commentary out of the discussion that would be excellent to > everyone. > > Secondly the arguments against tearing down the office we already have to > build a slightly different one in the exact same place are more than just > "There are other things in need of doing!". Secondly as you pointed out > tearing down walls is not expensive. Remodeling the now larger space so it > doesn't look like people ran drunkenly around with sawz-alls and crowbars > is the expensive part. We have to get: ceiling tile, drywall, paint, > relocate more outlets(new wiring, boxes, &c), and floor vents for formerly > wall vents. > We are losing money and working on a finite time table. Having a > prioritized list actually does mean we should focus the vast majority of > our limited time and money on them. They are the projects that need to get > done in order for SynHak to function come opening day. Getting the main > workspace up and running should be everyone's main effort. After that's > done we can and should focus on the 'nice to have' list. > > regards, > Andrew L > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Andrew Buczko > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I shouldn't have to explain this... >> >> Every time you start a project you run into expenses. Yes we can recycle >> what materials we have but there's always something else needed to get the >> project done. >> >> Personally, I'm done with this, so & so already started tearing out the >> wall, so fuck it! lets just gut the whole fucking place! >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Andy, I also emailed the start of this thread to [email protected], >>> discuss is what responded first. >>> >>> A few questions for you Andy: >>> >It's a nice little room, we can use for what ever we want, if you take >>> it away then all we'll have is big empty space. >>> >>> It won't be empty, it would be built into the welcome bar. The whole >>> reason we moved to 48 Summit is because we need more space, are you saying >>> we now have too much? How does keeping the walls make it less empty? >>> >>> >we don't have the money to build new walls. >>> >>> Why would we need to build new walls there? Why would a Synhak office >>> absolutely require walls? If a separate office is needed, a walled off >>> area right by the front door is not a good place to have one, so a room to >>> our specifications would need to be constructed anyway but in a different >>> place at the space as a long term project >>> >>> >heck we still have to fix the ceiling first. Plus if you take out the >>> wall you then have to fix the ceiling, who wants to look at a bunch of gaps? >>> >>> That's a good point. Was this part of the ceiling not included in our >>> estimates regarding roof repair? What is required to fix it, how much wood? >>> how much in ceiling tile? Can we get a hardware store to donate the >>> materials for a donation tax receipt? >>> >>> Andrew, you're right remodeling is expensive, we still have plenty of >>> wood at our disposal and we've reclaimed even more from both 21 W North and >>> 48 Summit. what do we think are the expenses associated with turning the >>> room into a welcome area/paperwork repository? And what materials and >>> expertise do we already have on hand to make it happen? I can think of >>> floor tileand ceiling repair though I have very little experience with >>> carpentry and building repair so I couldn't begin to guess how much work >>> and material would be needed. >>> >>> Thank you for sharing. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I thunk it would be nice if that area were a reception type desk >>>> welcome bar type structure that housed paper work. As far as walks are >>>> concerned i think half height walls would be nice as this allows people to >>>> see the whole space but still restricts access to documents. locked drawers >>>> they are only open during filing keeps privacy concerns satisfied but still >>>> allows for any member to get blank forms for visitors. >>>> >>>> That said remodeling is expensive, we have other more pressing expenses >>>> like getting up to code properly installed outlets in the main shop so >>>> people can hack. I think we need to prioritize our spending and realize we >>>> can't do it all at the same time. For me removing existing infrastructure >>>> only to modify it slightly is a frivolous expense we can't shots right now. >>>> We should save for and do it this year, in the next six months money >>>> permitting. >>>> >>>> Also every project we start now is one more we have to finish by >>>> opening day. And we already have quite a list. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Andrew L >>>> On Jan 19, 2014 1:12 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 00:33:16 Omar Rassi wrote: >>>>> > >1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with the >>>>> > >>>>> > closet/shelves? >>>>> > >>>>> > Torrie's argument is compelling, though I leaned towards keeping the >>>>> room >>>>> > as is, I am now indifferent to walls up or down. >>>>> > >>>>> > >2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? >>>>> Crafts? >>>>> > >>>>> > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer lab? >>>>> Lounge? >>>>> > Etc etc. >>>>> > >>>>> > I had envisioned a place where Synhak Inc. office could go. A place >>>>> where >>>>> > the office of secretary, treasurer, and the champions, could work on >>>>> the >>>>> > not so exciting parts of running a non-profit with minimal >>>>> distraction from >>>>> > hackers hacking. It would be a room to keep important paper records >>>>> that we >>>>> > are required to have on file in a controlled place to prevent >>>>> tampering >>>>> > (we've never had an issue with this in the past, its just a >>>>> perspective of >>>>> > assurance from a 3rd party perspective i.e. How can we guarantee the >>>>> > records are true if anyone can walk in and change the paper >>>>> documents when >>>>> > a member's back is turned?) >>>>> > >>>>> > >3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if it >>>>> does >>>>> > >>>>> > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to use >>>>> the space? >>>>> > >>>>> > A bolted and locked file cabinet and appropriate file permissions >>>>> > (read-write access for officers and champions, read-only access for >>>>> > everyone else) placed on a workstation designated for office use can >>>>> > accomplish the same records assurance mentioned above while keeping >>>>> the >>>>> > digital copies open and transparent. So perhaps a walled off area >>>>> may not >>>>> > be necessary as I previously thought. Objectively thinking about it, >>>>> > creating a welcome area out of that room would not lessen my desire >>>>> to use >>>>> > the space and could provide a wow factor for visitors and guests, I >>>>> can >>>>> > think of alternatives to achieve my desired goals for a Synhak Inc. >>>>> Office. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. It is important that we all try to be as pragmatic as >>>>> possible when >>>>> considering how to best allocate the finite volume we have available >>>>> to us. I >>>>> feel the quantity of shared space should be maximized as it gives >>>>> others the >>>>> broadest canvas that this building can provide, until it becomes more >>>>> beneficial to the community to do otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Torrie Fischer >>>>> > >>>>> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 22:26:49 Omar Rassi wrote: >>>>> > > > There may be some miscommunication/misunderstanding about the >>>>> front room >>>>> > > >>>>> > > at >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > 48 Summit St. So lets talk about what to do with that room. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > The original plan was to remove all the walls, shelving and >>>>> cabinetry to >>>>> > > > give us a large open area to do what we wish with and turn one >>>>> of its >>>>> > > >>>>> > > walls >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > into a welcome bar like at the old space. However, it appears >>>>> that some >>>>> > > > members want to keep the small office-ish type room for various >>>>> reasons >>>>> > > > (each person in favor of keeping the room has a different idea). >>>>> So lets >>>>> > > > discuss! >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Key points of discussion: >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > 1) Are we keeping the room or are we taking down the wall with >>>>> the >>>>> > > > closet/shelves? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I would prefer to remove the closet side wall of that room and >>>>> create a >>>>> > > new >>>>> > > welcome bar from the other wall of the room by cutting it to only >>>>> a few >>>>> > > feet >>>>> > > tall. This would create a very open and inviting physical space. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > 2) If we are keeping the room, for what purpose will it fulfill? >>>>> Crafts? >>>>> > > > Admin office/recordkeeping? servers? Member storage? Computer >>>>> lab? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Lounge? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > Etc etc. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > If someone is intending on turning it into some form of member >>>>> storage, >>>>> > > SYNHAK, Inc office, or server closet, I think it would be wise to >>>>> remember >>>>> > > that we have a massive basement that has not yet been spoken for >>>>> in any >>>>> > > significant capacity and will likely see the smallest fraction of >>>>> actual >>>>> > > foot >>>>> > > traffic in proportion to the floor space. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Additionally, why would you want something so obviously meant to >>>>> be hidden >>>>> > > and >>>>> > > out of the way *immediately next to the front door*? Thats just >>>>> not good >>>>> > > feng >>>>> > > shui. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > 3) Do we even need walls for those purposes? In other words, if >>>>> it does >>>>> > > > come down, will that detract from anyone's desires for how to >>>>> use the >>>>> > > >>>>> > > space? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I feel it creates a walled off area of a space that is otherwise >>>>> open to >>>>> > > everyone. It implies that there is some private part of the space >>>>> that >>>>> > > you're >>>>> > > not allowed to visit, and it is immediately at the front entrance. >>>>> The >>>>> > > building already has enough cubicle-dungeon-like attributes without >>>>> > > functional >>>>> > > windows up front. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > For reference please see the floorplan of 48 Summit St. at >>>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/syncalled.pdf and Synhak's google plus >>>>> page at >>>>> > > > https://plus.google.com/104182820750454997283 for pictures of >>>>> 48 Summit >>>>> > > >>>>> > > St >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > pre-renovation. The bottom of the floorplan page is where the >>>>> entrance >>>>> > > > is >>>>> > > > (Front door is angled) the room in question is directly to the >>>>> right of >>>>> > > > that, the specific wall to come down is to the right of the >>>>> room's door >>>>> > > > with the wall closest to the front door being turned into a >>>>> welcome bar >>>>> > > >>>>> > > as >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > with the old space. Remember that this is simply discussion where >>>>> > > >>>>> > > everyone >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > can voice their concerns. Ultimately this should be decided no >>>>> later >>>>> > > > than >>>>> > > > Tuesday's meeting by the membership as per our self-governance >>>>> process ( >>>>> > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Governance) so we can get a move on >>>>> with this >>>>> > > >>>>> > > area >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > and once decided put it behind us. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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