Absolutely right Alex, though I think that its less about specifically range, more about reliability at a greater distance, because N uses spatial multiplexing across multiple antennas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009>, transmit and receive get their own channel resulting in less radio interference in the same band. Conceivably, 802.11n and 802.11g could have the same ranges because its all dealt with power levels, but 802.11n is more reliable at say 120 feet than 802.11g because Tx and Rx won't crosstalk. We'll talk more tonight.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM, alex kot <[email protected]> wrote: > If the range can't go outside, then he put the antenna outside he is going > to come across the same issue for indoor use. Also I am not sure why > everyone gets the assumption Wireless N has better range. The range is > dealt with the amplification of the radio, which Generally most > SOHO/consumer wireless G routers have better range then N since it wasn't > as harshly regulated. You get access with more channels per radio with N, > but that doesn't really give you any wider range. I can go over more > details if you want at today's meeting. > > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:05 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> > wrote: > Also, I tend to go overboard sometimes, best to choose the simplest > solution that works, than to plan for every conceivable point of failure. > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Alex, > > Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use > with less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices > inside the house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices > outside the house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n > for better range than the "g" standard. > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Chris, > I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill. That or > just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free. > > Omar, > Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all. Having dual > band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range. Probably your > best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use > WDS for repeat mode. Not a fan of "Range extenders" or "Wifi repeaters" > they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards. > > > > ------------------------------ > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote: > > >Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the > yard? > >I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet > >beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick > >walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick > walls > >an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants. > > > > > >On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote: > >> > Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have. You > >> > either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent > >> > it for something like $5/mo. > >> > >> Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo. > >> > >> I bought this and have never had any issues with it: > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/ > >> > >> > > >> > It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage > of > >> > TWC replacing it should something go wrong. > >> > > >> > Chris > >> > > >> > On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote: > >> > > Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service > and > >> > > then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any > DOCSIS > >> > > 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real > >> > > cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 > >> > > only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi > >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much > on > >> > > your wireless equipment. > >> > > > >> > > Here is a decent modem > >> > > <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825124006> > and > >> this > >> > > is the same one I have for my TWC service. > >> > > < > >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009&ignorebbr > >> > > =1> Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. > >> > > < > >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=10001 > >> > > > >> > 0076%208000&IsNodeId=1&page=4&bop=And&CompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3 > >> > > > >> > 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3 > >> > > > >> > 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TS&percm=33-704-177%3A > >> > > > >> > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A > >> > > %24%24%24%24%24%24%24> I selected these model routers because they > >> support > >> > > dual band > >> > > capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external > antennas > >> > > giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in > mind > >> > > that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover > your > >> > > yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind > range > >> > > limits <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Range> and possible > sources > >> > > of interference <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1365> (another list > of > >> > > interference sources > >> > > < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference_at_2.4_GHz > >> >, > >> > > and > >> > > another <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Interference>) when > >> > > planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, > their > >> > > signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate > >> > > through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option > >> > > could be to get an external outdoor antenna > >> > > < > >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100010072%204 > >> > > > >> > 0000342&IsNodeId=1&Description=outdoor%20antenna&name=Wireless%20Accessori > >> > > es&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&isdeptsrh=1> that can replace connect to > the > >> > > router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage. > >> > > > >> > > Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, > ask > >> > > Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as > I'm > >> > > most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your > >> > > goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage > >> > > between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult > to > >> > > anticipate and troubleshoot. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson <[email protected] > >> > > > >> > > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / > >> > > WiFi device. Especially if you need the range. > >> > > On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, "Martin Pinkston" > >> > > > >> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > I am looking to get TW cable service. > >> > > On their website they list comparable modems and routers. > >> > > I am going for the $15. per month package. > >> > > I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or > >> > > staples, but can't seem to locate one. > >> > > What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements. > >> > > The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi > >> > > sending video from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to > my > >> > > laptop. > >> > > My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle. > >> > > And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router. > >> > > Thanks in advance. > >> > > > >> > > Martin Pinkston > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Discuss mailing list > >> > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Discuss mailing list > >> > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Discuss mailing list > >> > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Discuss mailing list > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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