On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with > SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about > Monday?
Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so can we get a committee working by 8PM? We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but I'll have e-mail of course. > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > > Right here for #5 > > > > On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, "Philip P. Patnode" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So, who is going to be #5? > >> > >> Torrie @ 1324 > >> > >> Becca @ 1407 > >> > >> Justin @ 1408 > >> > >> Devin @ 1440 > >> > >> #5 @ ? > >> > >> Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get > >> the new floorplan finalized. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, [email protected] < > >> > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the > >>> space? > >>> > >>> Devin. > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on > >>> Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>>>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> * From: * Becca Salchak <[email protected]>; > >>> * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]>; > >>> * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal > >>> * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM > >>> > >>> Id like to volunteer myself for the committee > >>> > >>> On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: > >>>> > Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing > >>>> > bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and > >>>> > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> > subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. > >>>> > > >>>> > In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a > >>>> > >>>> committee. > >>>> > >>>> > Yes, I am serious. > >>>> > > >>>> > Following the philosophy of action as a "do'ocracy", some motivated > >>>> > >>>> members > >>>> > >>>> > should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. > >>>> > > >>>> > Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a > >>>> > compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for > >>>> > >>>> coffee > >>>> > >>>> > and revisions. > >>>> > >>>> This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful > >>>> experiment > >>>> in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting > >>>> to fall > >>>> apart. > >>>> > >>>> There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very > >>>> same > >>>> lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. > >>>> > >>>> I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this > >>>> limited set of rules: > >>>> > >>>> * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 > >>>> * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the > >>>> floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee > >>>> members > >>>> * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant > >>>> such that > >>>> it is required to be approved by the committee > >>>> * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, > >>>> moved, > >>>> disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March > >>>> 3rd > >>>> without unaminous approval from the committee members > >>>> * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 > >>>> * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval > >>>> from > >>>> the committee members or a Membership proposal > >>>> * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list > >>>> * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee > >>>> membership > >>>> roster > >>>> * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The > >>>> Membership > >>>> * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee > >>>> member > >>>> * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the > >>>> committee > >>>> > >>>> > After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from > >>>> > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>> > start moving stuff into the designated areas. > >>>> > > >>>> > The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan > >>>> > >>>> exists. > >>>> > >>>> > If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on > >>>> > >>>> bickering > >>>> > >>>> > and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about > >>>> > >>>> this or > >>>> > >>>> > that. > >>>> > > >>>> > Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to > >>>> > >>>> August 1st > >>>> > >>>> > if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each > >>>> > >>>> other. > >>>> > >>>> > Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... > >>>> > > >>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer > >>>> > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>> > > On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > >>>> > > > What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again > >>>> > >>>> in an > >>>> > >>>> > > > L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit > >>>> > >>>> the 21 > >>>> > >>>> > > > people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken > >>>> > >>>> machine shop > >>>> > >>>> > > > from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to > >>>> > >>>> load/unload from > >>>> > >>>> > > > the garage door including the basement & 4x8 sheets to the > >>>> > >>>> machine room. > >>>> > >>>> > > > The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and > >>>> > > > something > >>>> > > > else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 > >>>> > >>>> unpacked. > >>>> > >>>> > > 2 > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about > >>>> > >>>> floorplans since > >>>> > >>>> > > any > >>>> > > such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told > >>>> > >>>> how > >>>> > >>>> > > wrong my > >>>> > > ideas are without any real logical argument. > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > > Discuss mailing list > >>>> > > [email protected] > >>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
