I think the 7 that have stepped up is a great group. Good representation of our needs and membership On Feb 9, 2014 11:57 AM, "Philip P. Patnode" <[email protected]> wrote:
> FYI > > A casual search in the tubes using the search term "ideal committee size" > reveals that a committee of 1 is the best, but 5 is an efficient number to > get something done. > > More than five leads to excessive discussion and delayed decisions. > > Even numbers may result in a deadlock at voting time. > > I sincerely hope that the newly formed floorplan committee can meet and > make a firm decision is under 2 hours. > > Start the meeting with a countdown timer on the table set for 2 hours. > > Assume the timer is hooked up to a briefcase full of over-stimulated > Tribbles that it will open at the end of the countdown. > > With hope for some action, > > PPP > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Becca Salchak <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something >> On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, "Michael Griesacker" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday >>> evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of >>> members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. >>> On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I will like to be on the committee. >>>> I can be there Monday. >>>> And my membership is in good standing. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will be available monday afternoon as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >>>>> > I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with >>>>> > SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about >>>>> > Monday? >>>>> >>>>> Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more >>>>> painting, so >>>>> can we get a committee working by 8PM? >>>>> >>>>> We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all >>>>> weekend but >>>>> I'll have e-mail of course. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > Right here for #5 >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, "Philip P. Patnode" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >> So, who is going to be #5? >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Torrie @ 1324 >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Becca @ 1407 >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Justin @ 1408 >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Devin @ 1440 >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> #5 @ ? >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated >>>>> to get >>>>> > >> the new floorplan finalized. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, [email protected] < >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>> I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at >>>>> 7pm at the >>>>> > >>> space? >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Devin. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on >>>>> > >>> Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>>>> >>>>> > >>> ------------------------------ >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> * From: * Becca Salchak <[email protected]>; >>>>> > >>> * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]>; >>>>> > >>> * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal >>>>> > >>> * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Id like to volunteer myself for the committee >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, "Torrie Fischer" < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: >>>>> > >>>> > Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the >>>>> continuing >>>>> > >>>> > bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land >>>>> grabs, and >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> the >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the >>>>> floorplan. >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> committee. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > Yes, I am serious. >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > Following the philosophy of action as a "do'ocracy", some >>>>> motivated >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> members >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final >>>>> decision. >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch >>>>> out a >>>>> > >>>> > compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour >>>>> for >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> coffee >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > and revisions. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a >>>>> wonderful >>>>> > >>>> experiment >>>>> > >>>> in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is >>>>> starting >>>>> > >>>> to fall >>>>> > >>>> apart. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along >>>>> the very >>>>> > >>>> same >>>>> > >>>> lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan >>>>> with this >>>>> > >>>> limited set of rules: >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at >>>>> 00:00 >>>>> > >>>> * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan >>>>> after the >>>>> > >>>> floorplan is approved without majority approval from the >>>>> committee >>>>> > >>>> members >>>>> > >>>> * Any committee member may declare a modification to be >>>>> significant >>>>> > >>>> such that >>>>> > >>>> it is required to be approved by the committee >>>>> > >>>> * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be >>>>> uninstalled, >>>>> > >>>> moved, >>>>> > >>>> disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend >>>>> after March >>>>> > >>>> 3rd >>>>> > >>>> without unaminous approval from the committee members >>>>> > >>>> * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 >>>>> > >>>> * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority >>>>> approval >>>>> > >>>> from >>>>> > >>>> the committee members or a Membership proposal >>>>> > >>>> * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list >>>>> > >>>> * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the >>>>> committee >>>>> > >>>> membership >>>>> > >>>> roster >>>>> > >>>> * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to >>>>> The >>>>> > >>>> Membership >>>>> > >>>> * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a >>>>> committee >>>>> > >>>> member >>>>> > >>>> * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to >>>>> the >>>>> > >>>> committee >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to >>>>> work from >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> and >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > start moving stuff into the designated areas. >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > The members will take it from there, knowing that a final >>>>> floorplan >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> exists. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just >>>>> keep on >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> bickering >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way >>>>> about >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> this or >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > that. >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved >>>>> to >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> August 1st >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with >>>>> each >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> other. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>> > > On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>> > > > What if the EE lab and general meeting area were >>>>> connected again >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> in an >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > > L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we >>>>> could fit >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> the 21 >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > > people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> machine shop >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > > from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> load/unload from >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > > the garage door including the basement & 4x8 sheets to the >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> machine room. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > > The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good >>>>> classroom and >>>>> > >>>> > > > something >>>>> > >>>> > > > else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to >>>>> get 21 >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> unpacked. >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > 2 >>>>> > >>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> > > > weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. >>>>> > >>>> > > > >>>>> > >>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf >>>>> > >>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> > > Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> floorplans since >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > any >>>>> > >>>> > > such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I >>>>> get told >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> how >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > wrong my >>>>> > >>>> > > ideas are without any real logical argument. >>>>> > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>> > > [email protected] >>>>> > >>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>> [email protected] >>>>> > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>> [email protected] >>>>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>>>> > >> [email protected] >>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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