On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 07:21:29 Omar Rassi wrote: > Synhak is not an exclusive club, FTFY. > > IMHO this more like an honor symbol. Those actively participate at Synhak > the physical location and events and contribute without being an actual > paying member are recognized as a Synhak associate (symbiote?). The way I > read the proposal is that it doesn't change processes, still includes the > vetting process, and removes exclusivity due to pay wall. Dont get me > wrong, membership dues are what pays for Synhak's physical presence are > extremely important and encouraged, but there are those who arent members > that have added value to the space.
This is a good summary of the idea. Nothing changes, but it allows us to recognize contributors within the community in a fair and distributed fashion without prodding them to fork over $35/mo. > > On Mar 4, 2014 4:40 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Meh, seems kind of pointless to me, if you want to join just join. SynHak > > is not an inclusive club. > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Mar 3, 2014 9:29 PM, Tomm Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I agree with Torrie. I am not a member (yet) but am new to the > >> > >> community and in a situation where this would be a nice step to becoming > >> a > >> member. It would give the psych a certain feeling of acceptance to allow > >> for new members to speak up a bit more and get to know the community > >> better, quicker. The new member (given the resources) could then also > >> have > >> opportunity to prove there skills to the community making their > >> acceptance > >> much more likely and swift. Further from this it gives a very > >> established, > >> professional feeling to the new comer and welcomes them in, enriching > >> within them to help build the community and be constructive and creative. > >> > >> > One is more likely to buy an item, if they are given a sample at the > >> > >> front door. > >> > >> > Not to mention the availability this leaves for the website and digital > >> > >> infrastructure down the road. If the service hosting were to increase, > >> associated members could then get a small webspace with limited > >> priviledges > >> and quite possibly a shell with limited priviledges. This small > >> introductory corner would allow them the sandbox to prove their skills > >> and > >> begin to get a taste of what the SYNHAK community is, in and outside of > >> the > >> facilities. As Torrie was saying, these account types could also be > >> tagged > >> to an academic tracking system that allows members to know and check who > >> has been safety trained to use what machines/tools and any concerns over > >> such. This tagging system could also be used as a means to keep notes on > >> the users and raise issues/concerns or honors/promotions of said > >> associated > >> member, to the members. With maturity and incorporation, I would agree > >> quite strongly with Torrie about this being a rather foundational element > >> of the beginning steps of becoming a member. The structure would then > >> lead > >> towards established professionalism, in turn then leading towards > >> becoming > >> a 501c down the road and contribution to advancing said facilities could > >> benefit the (associated) members by tax exemption. > >> > >> Em, you mean turn SH into a 501c3? Cuz we already are. > >> > >> http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/501c3-letter.pdf > >> > >> > Just a few agreeances and thoughts. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Torrie Fischer < > >> > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Monday, March 03, 2014 17:57:16 a l wrote: > >> >> > I didn't reply due to no concerns as the proposal is laid out here. > >> > >> I guess > >> > >> >> > my question is: Why? Why does someone want to become an associate > >> > >> member? > >> > >> >> > Are they allowed some small storage? They can't be a keyholder since > >> > >> that > >> > >> >> > is a privilege of membership, so it wouldn't grant them additonal > >> > >> access to > >> > >> >> > the space. Perhaps I underestimate the draw of a completely > >> > >> arbitrary > >> > >> >> > title. > >> >> > Since it doesn't really change much I have no reason to block it > >> > >> though. > >> > >> >> It establishes a web of trust model within the space and provides a > >> > >> sense of > >> > >> >> belonging. > >> >> > >> >> If some unknown guest is milling about, one can easily request what > >> > >> their > >> > >> >> username is and figure out if they are someone that the community > >> > >> trusts to be > >> > >> >> at SYNHAK. By having a username, it also encourages them to use the > >> >> infrastructure on synhak.org more, namely the wiki. > >> >> > >> >> Additionally, I'm sure there are quite a few people who would love to > >> > >> say "I'm > >> > >> >> a member of SYNHAK", especially visiting hackers. It gives a sense of > >> >> belonging. > >> >> > >> >> For example, I'm not a full Council Member of Noisebridge. I am, > >> > >> however, an > >> > >> >> Associate Member. In a way, I am a part of the Noisebridge community > >> > >> more than > >> > >> >> someone who isn't an Associate Member. It gives me warm fuzzies. <3 > >> >> > >> >> > regards, > >> >> > Andrew L > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Torrie Fischer > >> >> > >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> > > No discussion on a mechanism that has the potential to prevent > >> > >> future > >> > >> >> > > tension? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > This makes me sad > >> >> > > > >> >> > > :( > >> >> > > > >> >> > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:29:34 Torrie Fischer wrote: > >> >> > > > I'd like to discuss the possibility of an additional class of > >> > >> members > >> > >> >> > > based > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > on the success I've seen of using it at Noisebridge. Right now, > >> > >> we've > >> > >> >> > > > got > >> >> > > > just one class of members called Members. Some time ago, they > >> > >> introduced > >> > >> >> > > a > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > second group called Associate Members. The procedure for > >> > >> becoming an > >> > >> >> > > > associate member is pretty simple: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Membership#Associate_Members > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Essentially, you create a User wiki page, find four sponsors > >> > >> (who are > >> > >> >> > > other > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > associate members or regular members), then add a category tag > >> > >> to your > >> > >> >> > > page. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Associate members can't participate in governance or need to pay > >> > >> dues, > >> > >> >> > > but > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > it does give a sense of belonging and establishes a network of > >> > >> trust > >> > >> >> > > > between active community participants who have not become full > >> > >> members > >> > >> >> > > and > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > full members. We're a lot more than just a tiny handful of maybe > >> > >> a dozen > >> > >> >> > > > active contributors! > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > I think we can differ from NB's implementation by requiring that > >> > >> least > >> > >> >> > > one > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > of the four sponsors must be a full Member. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Since I'm not a fan of using the wiki to maintain any kind of > >> > >> membership > >> > >> >> > > > records, I'd like to implement something like that in spiff as > >> >> > > > an > >> >> > > > implementation of the next milestone of a plugin architecture. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Feedback, please! > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > > > Discuss mailing list > >> >> > > > [email protected] > >> >> > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> >> > > > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > > Discuss mailing list > >> >> > > [email protected] > >> >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Discuss mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Sincerely, Tomm Smith > >> > God bless > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
