Hey all, It's been brought to my attention that what was intended as a lighthearted expression of jealousy for a cool toy didn't get recorded that way in the minutes.
>* Alex - It's, he does it * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row * Andy - builds pinball machines * Justin - Brings cookies * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks * Philip - heard about cookies * Tim - Enjoys robotics * Becca - writes jeb sheets * Dave - Helps to repair the canal * Steve - Shows up late, but on time * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all * Mila - Also a second meeting attender * Craig - is fine * Torrie - makes burritos * Andrew - attends entire meetings today * Devin - moderates today * Anthony - Developes software * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library ** Found out about us through our website To clarify, neither Mike nor his laser keyboard suck. The comment has been removed from the archived version of the minutes but without complicated techromancy it is not possible to change the minutes as displayed in this thread. Apologies for the poor recording and confusion it caused. regards, Andrew L On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Phong <[email protected]> wrote: > Bonjour, hakkers! > > I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2014-03-18 and that the minutes > are posted. They are visible on the web at > https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-18. I've also included them in > this mail for reading at your leisure: > > {{Infobox_meeting > |time=7PM > |date=2014-03-18 > |venue=48 South Summit > |next=Meetings/2014-3-25 > |previous=Meetings/2014-3-11 > }} > > > == Note-taker == > * Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes. > ** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened. > * Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting > * Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the appropriate > time. > * Tell [email protected] and [email protected] if there are new > members. If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to email > them. > > == Moderator == > * Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak > * Speak minimally yourself > * Keep the meeting moving > * Handle the membership voting process > * Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, as > the template may occasionally change without warning. > ** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to > proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. > > == Participants == > * Say your name the first time you speak > * Remain on-topic > * Remain respectful of other participants > > = Agenda = > > * '''Note Taker:''' Andrew L > * '''Moderator:''' Devin > > == Introduction and Names == > > * Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if anyone > new is present: > <blockquote>SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to > make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help > others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through and > depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals > such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each > other."</blockquote> > * Round of introductions > ** What is your name? > ** What do you do? > ** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK? > > * Alex - It's, he does it > * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row > * Andy - builds pinball machines > * Justin - Brings cookies > * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator > * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks > * Philip - heard about cookies > * Tim - Enjoys robotics > * Becca - writes jeb sheets > * Dave - Helps to repair the canal > * Steve - Shows up late, but on time > * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all > * Mila - Also a second meeting attender > * Craig - is fine > * Torrie - makes burritos > * Andrew - attends entire meetings today > * Devin - moderates today > * Anthony - Developes software > * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value > * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover > * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library > ** Found out about us through our website > > == Announcements == > > * Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know? > * Any happenings that people should be aware of? > * Computers have multiplied > ** 4 laptops for use > *** There's one on the desk in the back labeled -Do Not Hack- > **** ....Don't hack it. > *** if you have OS preferences let omar know, or install yourself > **** Don't ruin the windows partition > *** 3 in Palm room, > ** Lenovo for all sorts of hacking, no holds barred > *** Located in the Palm room > ** Keep an eye on Announce@ for laptop sales and pricing > * Martin brought his rover > ** build in progress, working boom and camera platform > *** demo after meeting > * G brought in paint > ** all manner of paint > ** painting materials included > * Andy found the LCD for the jukebox > ** Tom was doing things and stuff with it, detailed on NOC@ > * Switches stopped switching on the network > ** Craig to build things in the basement to keep things dry and safe > ** If you know of a source of cheap(free?) pallets(12-15) so we can rig up > a raised floor > * All machines using SDRAM or older to be in the mainspace > ** likely to be placed in the hack pile so they get used or otherwise > disappear > ** give them a purpose > * This Saturday at 12pm The Greater Akron Robotics Club(GARC) at SynHak > ** First meeting :) > ** Highschool and Junior high students > ** Willing Chaperones and knowledgeable folk encouraged to attend > * Notacon 4/10-15/14 > * Akron Mini-Makerfaire 10/18 > ** get ideas together > * Akron Public library wants help to get a learn-to-solder class up and > running > ** Learn basic electronics too > * Cleveland Makerfaire 3/29 12-6pm > ** Cleveland public Library > * Bay area makerfaire 5/17-18 > ** Tiny circuits attending > * 3/26 Torrie talks about SynHak infrastructure > ** 8pm > ** AWS, Synhak.org > * 4/09 Alex talks about Mesh networking > * 4/23 Shop Safety > ** another welding class being scheduled, time TBA > * Dave wants to do some local history > > == Membership == > * Read off any names open for application > * Philip > ** Been visiting us since the old space, sponsored by Devin, Justin > ** Wants to join to: meet people, learn things, make things to sell on > etsy, fix things to sell on ebay > *** Lists a whole host of cool projects > ** Also wants to use our cofee pot and restrooms > * Timothy > ** Nickname: Orvel > ** Wants to get the Greater Akron Robotics Club running at SynHak and > ** Sponsored by Torrie, Devin > * Whats Hacking mean to you? > ** Philip: reminds him of nefarious activities, learned it means 'doing > something different to things' it really depends on who you ask and what > they're doing at the time. Hacking and Making at SynHak are a good > combination . Approaching problems and finding a working solution > ** Tim: starting with raw materials and findig a new or use for them > * What makes you happy > ** Philip: Chocolate, Sunshine, waking up on the right side of the ground. > ** Tim: Enjoys the question, Seeing things made better, fighting entropy, > Robotics, meeting a challenge and purpose. > * Directed to Tim; Do you have intentions in founding and an underground > robotics fight club > ** ---things and stuff---- > * Who's your favorite pioneer and why > ** Tim: Benjamin Franklin, he did -everything- > ** Philip: Da Vinci, introduced me to science when I was young. Encouraged > by his parents to pursue science and engineering. > * Dog or cat? > ** Philip: Racoons > ** Tim: Dogs, despite owning cats > * How do you want to improve SynHak? > ** Tim: Help utilize the infrastructure to improve the community, in part > through the robotics club > *** Excellent dumpsterdiving skills/luck > ** Philip: Contributing skills and interests, perhaps teaching > (photography?), wants to take responsibility and do-ocracy things. > Recycling to help burn victims. Encourage people to bring in science and > technology photos to contribute to the display wall. I want to keep > learning, do something, I want to build a drone with a camera, and flames. > Install CHDK on my little point and shoot. Always willing to help, even if > it's just gophering. > * Directed at Tim:What do you expect to learn or be changed by SynHak > ** SynHak will help keep me young, continue learning new skills, This is > the garage I don't have space/money for. > * What to consensus, do-ocracy mean to you? > ** Tim: Do-ocracy lines up closer with how people actually function. Lower > stress often times.Servent leadership, it's better to light a candle than > complain about the darkness. Skills and authority don't always align and > Do-ocracy alleviates this. Consensus is harder to define. There's so many > ways to communicate which can make it hard to pin down. Excellence boils > down to the golden rule. > ** Philip: Who came up with be excellent? (Bill & Ted). Do-ocracy is a bit > foreign at first glance. It's about being a member of a group that > satisfies you and benefits the group. A way to be a member, acting > responsibly, individually, and with a purpose. It takes a willingness in > the community to suceed. Being excellent is a character trait. It's more > than good manners. It takes constant work and aspiration. You know it when > you see it. Consensus: Majority rules, to an extent. It requires a > knowledgeable group as well as individual. > * Who's your favorite robotics team(battlebots, Curiosity)? > ** Tim: FIRST robotics got me started but I'm currently active in BEST > robotics. Your biggest expense with them is traveling to events. > > Both approved, hooray > > == Financial Report == > > * Funds in bank: 20,417.22 > * Liabilities: 2,956.50 > * Liabilities & Equity: 20,417.22 > * > * Spiff is updated with dues and membership credits > ** You can view these things > *** SynHak.org > sidebar > Spiff > Login/Register > **** Buttons setup if you forgot your credentials > **** Use password reset if this is your first login, The email you have on > your application is where the password gets sent. > ** You can also ask Torrie > * $2000 in unpaid dues, get that to her > > == Proposals == > > * Becca wants a key > ** To help with open hours > *** attempts to extort a key based on cupcakes > ** Vote - Approved > > * Tim wants to apply for a key > ** Just needs to fill the application, to be voted on next week > > * Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14 day notice to vacate the > premises. > The racks shall be dismantled and removed after the 14 day notice. > If there is opposition from Something New Entertainment, LLC, eviction > procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio will be enacted by the > Champions. > ** Justin: 5.2.1 in the bylaws says voting clearly, not consensus. > ** Torrie: There is no legal contract/lease. > *** Some of this action was unilateral. > *** We need a copy of the lease, there wasn't any revision by anyone but > the signitories prior to it's signing. Significant disagreement with the > wording and the Synhak community. > *** Legal counsel as informed by Torrie says that the board member who > signed the lease had no legal right to do so. > *** 5.2.1 does not give the right to vote on everything. This is a > slippery slope. Storage racks take up 10% of the space. The discussion of > this what severely lacking. > *** There's a page on the wiki that describes consensus. > **** We follow the dictionary definition largely but the main point is > talk things out. > *** No checks have been cashed, this is taxable income and will make > things difficult come tax time. > ** Devin: the racks take up small amounts of space 150 sq feet of 4000. > *** One person said 'I don't like this', but nothing constructive. > ** Devin: To clarify: if one person is against an idea we cannot proceed? > *** Torrie: Yes, I've been talking with other hackerspaces and I have a > proposal in the works to solidify this. > ** There's been a mix of 'consensus' and 'majority rule' > ** Omar: we need to find a middle ground, this and other problems won't go > away. > ** Andrew: why wasn't this brought up at a meeting in a formal manner? > *** some/all of this could have been avoided > **** Devin: This was indeed rushed through due to percieved cash shortages > ** Justin: I had brought this up during proposals. There was a general > thought that we were lacking on funds and had a new space to build-out. The > rent was come up with after reviewing some notes and the treasurers own > finance reports detailing possible raises in dues. > *** the lease was brought up on the build layout with discussion Torrie > was party to. The sublease was signed by the same person who signed the > lease by SynHak. Justin was under the impression of authority. > *** Counter-proposal: End the Lease at 6-months, My own legal council > disagrees with Torries legal council's opinion. > ** Mike: Disagreements in legal opinion normally get decided in court. Our > most valuable asset is not our space but it is our members. This has been > drawn out far too long. > *** I too was under the impression that there was consensus, while there > had been no vote, there was no ill-intent. I have no problem with the > 6-month lease, nor a full year lease > ** Steve: There should have been and still needs to be a vote. THis is > getting tiring. > ** Torrie: I've been trying to have a discusssion, questions have been > ignored, people refuse to talk to me. > *** Documentation for any of this is lacking > *** The lease was never reviewed, subleasing space is antithetical to > SynHak. Having a monopoly on the space goes against our mission > *** Voting vs Consensus: Whats the point? We've gone by consensus for most > other decisions. voting ends up in the majority steamrolling someone. > ** Tim: Finding a solution for now and repairing friendships may be more > important than finding ways to right wrongs done. > ** Becca: We don't have a time machine. Finishing out the 6-month lease > seems to be the easiest way to resolve this. > *** We should decide to no longer lease out space. > *** Mike Agrees > ** Mike: we've learned our lesson, there probably doesn't need to be a > formal rule > ** Omar: hindsight is 20/20. This came about as a result of questions left > unanswered at the old space and got lost in the confusion of the move and > transitioning to a new treasurer. Majority opinion ranged from uninterested > to unopposing. > *** Too much of this was verbal only, so if you weren't there you had no > idea what was said. > *** differing legal opinions are expensive to resolve, lets do some other > way. > *** We need Torrie, A champion not involved, and the business officer of > Something New, LLC in the same room. > ** Justin: I want this over with, voted on, no consensus, no working > group. I've been defaced in a public forum. > ** Torrie: If voting(without consensus) occurs I resign. > ** Justin: I don't feel the things already brought up are reasonable. > ** Torrie: I am open to discussin alternatives. This proposal is fluid, > lets find a solution that works for everyone. Consensus is the important > thing. > ** Justin: Proposals have exact text, with hard lines. This wording has > been on the books for a while if people didn't proxy or arrange to be > present they didn't have much though on the matter. > ** Omar: Emotions often make people want to rush things. Lets make sure we > don't do that. > ** Steve: Consensus vs voting discussion is new to me. We need to vote on > this > **** A vote has been proposed and seconded. > ** Jeff: This is my second meeting, I thought I was going to hear about > making things, not all this. I read a book about a nun who started a TV > network. Sanate: healing at the root. If we go into a legal battle we will > lose a member. Much of this discussion has not lived up to the ideals on > your website. > ** Justin: The wiki is editable by everyone and anyone. Bylaws are > permenant and our 'rules'. > ** Becca: I just want to know if we don't go forward with a vote, how do > we resolve this so Something New LLC has enough time to find a new space. > ** Torrie: Anyone can modify proposals prior to or at meetings. I want to > reach common ground. I don't want to throw away everything I've worked for. > I -want- to agree. > ** Steve: We should just vote on it > ** Craig: Consensus doesn't work with 2 hard lines in the sand > ** Becca: It seemed to the me that that was the case, this appears to not > be the case. > ** Tim: Torrie wants to keep this from happening again in the future, and > resolved no. Justin wants to mitigate impacts to business, and to not be > evicted. > *** We want to this end quickly was well. What do you thing the earliest > you could move out is. > *** Justin Correct, it's hard to find rentable space that fits my height > and area needs. I don't know, finding space for my racks is hard, I've been > looking. Offering to help move is nice. I really need 6 months to find a > new space. If it's not possible, I can try to dissolve the lease, but the > company is not just me. > ** Torrie: I just want out space back, more than 6 months will get me > angry again. > *** I want the space back, I will find whatever you want I just want the > space back. > ** Things were rushed through that shouldn't have been. > ** Everyone will make their best effort to assist Something New LLC to > vacate the sub-lease with SynHak early. > *** No Legal repercussions. > *** Both Parties will agree > ** G: I've been listening. There seems to be some disagreement and lack of > actual lease in hand. I don't want to hear about the lease ever again. > *** I'm familiar with beauracracy, records are good. > *** We need a paper records, We need a copy tonight. > **** G will use interesting methods to distribute it if we don't get one. > ** Tim is an awesome mediator. > > * I propose an ammendment of the SynHak Bylaws to reflect our current > address and principle office as 48S Summit, Akron, Oh. > ** Consensed, voted, approved. > * > > == Discussion Items == > > If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be > postponed until after the meeting ends. > > During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exactly what each > person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or > controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on > the discuss page for this meeting. > > = End of Meeting = > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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