I'll clarify what I can: >"jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? I'm not sure. There was a brief side discussion and my understanding was they are some sort of work related spreadsheet to help monitor project progress
>"Kobol" - variation of Cobol? Yes Cobol the programming language, whereas Kobol is a mythical planet in the rebooted Battlestar Galactica Universe. >"wild rover" - a computer game? It's an irish folk song. >Did I miss out on some Free Burritos I think Torrie was just discussing her dinner. Not released for public consumption. regards, Andrew L On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Philip P. Patnode <[email protected]>wrote: > Andrew, > > As long as you are on a roll, please "clarify" the following for me = > > "jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? > > "Kobol" - variation of Cobol? > > "wild rover" - a computer game? > > Did I miss out on some free burritos or did Torrie just allude to their > existence in a faraway kitchen? > > Thanks! > > Philip > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> It's been brought to my attention that what was intended as a >> lighthearted expression of jealousy for a cool toy didn't get recorded >> that way in the minutes. >> >> >* Alex - It's, he does it >> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row >> * Andy - builds pinball machines >> * Justin - Brings cookies >> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator >> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks >> * Philip - heard about cookies >> * Tim - Enjoys robotics >> * Becca - writes jeb sheets >> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal >> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time >> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all >> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender >> * Craig - is fine >> * Torrie - makes burritos >> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today >> * Devin - moderates today >> * Anthony - Developes software >> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value >> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover >> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library >> ** Found out about us through our website >> >> To clarify, neither Mike nor his laser keyboard suck. The comment has >> been removed from the archived version of the minutes but without >> complicated techromancy it is not possible to change the minutes as >> displayed in this thread. >> Apologies for the poor recording and confusion it caused. >> >> regards, >> Andrew L >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Phong <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Bonjour, hakkers! >>> >>> I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2014-03-18 and that the minutes >>> are posted. They are visible on the web at >>> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-18. I've also included them in >>> this mail for reading at your leisure: >>> >>> {{Infobox_meeting >>> |time=7PM >>> |date=2014-03-18 >>> |venue=48 South Summit >>> |next=Meetings/2014-3-25 >>> |previous=Meetings/2014-3-11 >>> }} >>> >>> >>> == Note-taker == >>> * Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes. >>> ** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened. >>> * Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting >>> * Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the >>> appropriate time. >>> * Tell [email protected] and [email protected] if there are new >>> members. If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to email >>> them. >>> >>> == Moderator == >>> * Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak >>> * Speak minimally yourself >>> * Keep the meeting moving >>> * Handle the membership voting process >>> * Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, >>> as the template may occasionally change without warning. >>> ** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to >>> proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. >>> >>> == Participants == >>> * Say your name the first time you speak >>> * Remain on-topic >>> * Remain respectful of other participants >>> >>> = Agenda = >>> >>> * '''Note Taker:''' Andrew L >>> * '''Moderator:''' Devin >>> >>> == Introduction and Names == >>> >>> * Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if >>> anyone new is present: >>> <blockquote>SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to >>> make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help >>> others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through and >>> depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals >>> such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each >>> other."</blockquote> >>> * Round of introductions >>> ** What is your name? >>> ** What do you do? >>> ** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK? >>> >>> * Alex - It's, he does it >>> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row >>> * Andy - builds pinball machines >>> * Justin - Brings cookies >>> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator >>> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks >>> * Philip - heard about cookies >>> * Tim - Enjoys robotics >>> * Becca - writes jeb sheets >>> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal >>> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time >>> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all >>> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender >>> * Craig - is fine >>> * Torrie - makes burritos >>> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today >>> * Devin - moderates today >>> * Anthony - Developes software >>> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value >>> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover >>> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library >>> ** Found out about us through our website >>> >>> == Announcements == >>> >>> * Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know? >>> * Any happenings that people should be aware of? >>> * Computers have multiplied >>> ** 4 laptops for use >>> *** There's one on the desk in the back labeled -Do Not Hack- >>> **** ....Don't hack it. >>> *** if you have OS preferences let omar know, or install yourself >>> **** Don't ruin the windows partition >>> *** 3 in Palm room, >>> ** Lenovo for all sorts of hacking, no holds barred >>> *** Located in the Palm room >>> ** Keep an eye on Announce@ for laptop sales and pricing >>> * Martin brought his rover >>> ** build in progress, working boom and camera platform >>> *** demo after meeting >>> * G brought in paint >>> ** all manner of paint >>> ** painting materials included >>> * Andy found the LCD for the jukebox >>> ** Tom was doing things and stuff with it, detailed on NOC@ >>> * Switches stopped switching on the network >>> ** Craig to build things in the basement to keep things dry and safe >>> ** If you know of a source of cheap(free?) pallets(12-15) so we can rig >>> up a raised floor >>> * All machines using SDRAM or older to be in the mainspace >>> ** likely to be placed in the hack pile so they get used or otherwise >>> disappear >>> ** give them a purpose >>> * This Saturday at 12pm The Greater Akron Robotics Club(GARC) at SynHak >>> ** First meeting :) >>> ** Highschool and Junior high students >>> ** Willing Chaperones and knowledgeable folk encouraged to attend >>> * Notacon 4/10-15/14 >>> * Akron Mini-Makerfaire 10/18 >>> ** get ideas together >>> * Akron Public library wants help to get a learn-to-solder class up and >>> running >>> ** Learn basic electronics too >>> * Cleveland Makerfaire 3/29 12-6pm >>> ** Cleveland public Library >>> * Bay area makerfaire 5/17-18 >>> ** Tiny circuits attending >>> * 3/26 Torrie talks about SynHak infrastructure >>> ** 8pm >>> ** AWS, Synhak.org >>> * 4/09 Alex talks about Mesh networking >>> * 4/23 Shop Safety >>> ** another welding class being scheduled, time TBA >>> * Dave wants to do some local history >>> >>> == Membership == >>> * Read off any names open for application >>> * Philip >>> ** Been visiting us since the old space, sponsored by Devin, Justin >>> ** Wants to join to: meet people, learn things, make things to sell on >>> etsy, fix things to sell on ebay >>> *** Lists a whole host of cool projects >>> ** Also wants to use our cofee pot and restrooms >>> * Timothy >>> ** Nickname: Orvel >>> ** Wants to get the Greater Akron Robotics Club running at SynHak and >>> ** Sponsored by Torrie, Devin >>> * Whats Hacking mean to you? >>> ** Philip: reminds him of nefarious activities, learned it means 'doing >>> something different to things' it really depends on who you ask and what >>> they're doing at the time. Hacking and Making at SynHak are a good >>> combination . Approaching problems and finding a working solution >>> ** Tim: starting with raw materials and findig a new or use for them >>> * What makes you happy >>> ** Philip: Chocolate, Sunshine, waking up on the right side of the >>> ground. >>> ** Tim: Enjoys the question, Seeing things made better, fighting >>> entropy, Robotics, meeting a challenge and purpose. >>> * Directed to Tim; Do you have intentions in founding and an underground >>> robotics fight club >>> ** ---things and stuff---- >>> * Who's your favorite pioneer and why >>> ** Tim: Benjamin Franklin, he did -everything- >>> ** Philip: Da Vinci, introduced me to science when I was young. >>> Encouraged by his parents to pursue science and engineering. >>> * Dog or cat? >>> ** Philip: Racoons >>> ** Tim: Dogs, despite owning cats >>> * How do you want to improve SynHak? >>> ** Tim: Help utilize the infrastructure to improve the community, in >>> part through the robotics club >>> *** Excellent dumpsterdiving skills/luck >>> ** Philip: Contributing skills and interests, perhaps teaching >>> (photography?), wants to take responsibility and do-ocracy things. >>> Recycling to help burn victims. Encourage people to bring in science and >>> technology photos to contribute to the display wall. I want to keep >>> learning, do something, I want to build a drone with a camera, and flames. >>> Install CHDK on my little point and shoot. Always willing to help, even if >>> it's just gophering. >>> * Directed at Tim:What do you expect to learn or be changed by SynHak >>> ** SynHak will help keep me young, continue learning new skills, This is >>> the garage I don't have space/money for. >>> * What to consensus, do-ocracy mean to you? >>> ** Tim: Do-ocracy lines up closer with how people actually function. >>> Lower stress often times.Servent leadership, it's better to light a candle >>> than complain about the darkness. Skills and authority don't always align >>> and Do-ocracy alleviates this. Consensus is harder to define. There's so >>> many ways to communicate which can make it hard to pin down. Excellence >>> boils down to the golden rule. >>> ** Philip: Who came up with be excellent? (Bill & Ted). Do-ocracy is a >>> bit foreign at first glance. It's about being a member of a group that >>> satisfies you and benefits the group. A way to be a member, acting >>> responsibly, individually, and with a purpose. It takes a willingness in >>> the community to suceed. Being excellent is a character trait. It's more >>> than good manners. It takes constant work and aspiration. You know it when >>> you see it. Consensus: Majority rules, to an extent. It requires a >>> knowledgeable group as well as individual. >>> * Who's your favorite robotics team(battlebots, Curiosity)? >>> ** Tim: FIRST robotics got me started but I'm currently active in BEST >>> robotics. Your biggest expense with them is traveling to events. >>> >>> Both approved, hooray >>> >>> == Financial Report == >>> >>> * Funds in bank: 20,417.22 >>> * Liabilities: 2,956.50 >>> * Liabilities & Equity: 20,417.22 >>> * >>> * Spiff is updated with dues and membership credits >>> ** You can view these things >>> *** SynHak.org > sidebar > Spiff > Login/Register >>> **** Buttons setup if you forgot your credentials >>> **** Use password reset if this is your first login, The email you have >>> on your application is where the password gets sent. >>> ** You can also ask Torrie >>> * $2000 in unpaid dues, get that to her >>> >>> == Proposals == >>> >>> * Becca wants a key >>> ** To help with open hours >>> *** attempts to extort a key based on cupcakes >>> ** Vote - Approved >>> >>> * Tim wants to apply for a key >>> ** Just needs to fill the application, to be voted on next week >>> >>> * Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14 day notice to vacate >>> the premises. >>> The racks shall be dismantled and removed after the 14 day notice. >>> If there is opposition from Something New Entertainment, LLC, eviction >>> procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio will be enacted by the >>> Champions. >>> ** Justin: 5.2.1 in the bylaws says voting clearly, not consensus. >>> ** Torrie: There is no legal contract/lease. >>> *** Some of this action was unilateral. >>> *** We need a copy of the lease, there wasn't any revision by anyone but >>> the signitories prior to it's signing. Significant disagreement with the >>> wording and the Synhak community. >>> *** Legal counsel as informed by Torrie says that the board member who >>> signed the lease had no legal right to do so. >>> *** 5.2.1 does not give the right to vote on everything. This is a >>> slippery slope. Storage racks take up 10% of the space. The discussion of >>> this what severely lacking. >>> *** There's a page on the wiki that describes consensus. >>> **** We follow the dictionary definition largely but the main point is >>> talk things out. >>> *** No checks have been cashed, this is taxable income and will make >>> things difficult come tax time. >>> ** Devin: the racks take up small amounts of space 150 sq feet of 4000. >>> *** One person said 'I don't like this', but nothing constructive. >>> ** Devin: To clarify: if one person is against an idea we cannot proceed? >>> *** Torrie: Yes, I've been talking with other hackerspaces and I have a >>> proposal in the works to solidify this. >>> ** There's been a mix of 'consensus' and 'majority rule' >>> ** Omar: we need to find a middle ground, this and other problems won't >>> go away. >>> ** Andrew: why wasn't this brought up at a meeting in a formal manner? >>> *** some/all of this could have been avoided >>> **** Devin: This was indeed rushed through due to percieved cash >>> shortages >>> ** Justin: I had brought this up during proposals. There was a general >>> thought that we were lacking on funds and had a new space to build-out. The >>> rent was come up with after reviewing some notes and the treasurers own >>> finance reports detailing possible raises in dues. >>> *** the lease was brought up on the build layout with discussion Torrie >>> was party to. The sublease was signed by the same person who signed the >>> lease by SynHak. Justin was under the impression of authority. >>> *** Counter-proposal: End the Lease at 6-months, My own legal council >>> disagrees with Torries legal council's opinion. >>> ** Mike: Disagreements in legal opinion normally get decided in court. >>> Our most valuable asset is not our space but it is our members. This has >>> been drawn out far too long. >>> *** I too was under the impression that there was consensus, while there >>> had been no vote, there was no ill-intent. I have no problem with the >>> 6-month lease, nor a full year lease >>> ** Steve: There should have been and still needs to be a vote. THis is >>> getting tiring. >>> ** Torrie: I've been trying to have a discusssion, questions have been >>> ignored, people refuse to talk to me. >>> *** Documentation for any of this is lacking >>> *** The lease was never reviewed, subleasing space is antithetical to >>> SynHak. Having a monopoly on the space goes against our mission >>> *** Voting vs Consensus: Whats the point? We've gone by consensus for >>> most other decisions. voting ends up in the majority steamrolling someone. >>> ** Tim: Finding a solution for now and repairing friendships may be more >>> important than finding ways to right wrongs done. >>> ** Becca: We don't have a time machine. Finishing out the 6-month lease >>> seems to be the easiest way to resolve this. >>> *** We should decide to no longer lease out space. >>> *** Mike Agrees >>> ** Mike: we've learned our lesson, there probably doesn't need to be a >>> formal rule >>> ** Omar: hindsight is 20/20. This came about as a result of questions >>> left unanswered at the old space and got lost in the confusion of the move >>> and transitioning to a new treasurer. Majority opinion ranged from >>> uninterested to unopposing. >>> *** Too much of this was verbal only, so if you weren't there you had no >>> idea what was said. >>> *** differing legal opinions are expensive to resolve, lets do some >>> other way. >>> *** We need Torrie, A champion not involved, and the business officer of >>> Something New, LLC in the same room. >>> ** Justin: I want this over with, voted on, no consensus, no working >>> group. I've been defaced in a public forum. >>> ** Torrie: If voting(without consensus) occurs I resign. >>> ** Justin: I don't feel the things already brought up are reasonable. >>> ** Torrie: I am open to discussin alternatives. This proposal is fluid, >>> lets find a solution that works for everyone. Consensus is the important >>> thing. >>> ** Justin: Proposals have exact text, with hard lines. This wording has >>> been on the books for a while if people didn't proxy or arrange to be >>> present they didn't have much though on the matter. >>> ** Omar: Emotions often make people want to rush things. Lets make sure >>> we don't do that. >>> ** Steve: Consensus vs voting discussion is new to me. We need to vote >>> on this >>> **** A vote has been proposed and seconded. >>> ** Jeff: This is my second meeting, I thought I was going to hear about >>> making things, not all this. I read a book about a nun who started a TV >>> network. Sanate: healing at the root. If we go into a legal battle we will >>> lose a member. Much of this discussion has not lived up to the ideals on >>> your website. >>> ** Justin: The wiki is editable by everyone and anyone. Bylaws are >>> permenant and our 'rules'. >>> ** Becca: I just want to know if we don't go forward with a vote, how do >>> we resolve this so Something New LLC has enough time to find a new space. >>> ** Torrie: Anyone can modify proposals prior to or at meetings. I want >>> to reach common ground. I don't want to throw away everything I've worked >>> for. I -want- to agree. >>> ** Steve: We should just vote on it >>> ** Craig: Consensus doesn't work with 2 hard lines in the sand >>> ** Becca: It seemed to the me that that was the case, this appears to >>> not be the case. >>> ** Tim: Torrie wants to keep this from happening again in the future, >>> and resolved no. Justin wants to mitigate impacts to business, and to not >>> be evicted. >>> *** We want to this end quickly was well. What do you thing the earliest >>> you could move out is. >>> *** Justin Correct, it's hard to find rentable space that fits my height >>> and area needs. I don't know, finding space for my racks is hard, I've been >>> looking. Offering to help move is nice. I really need 6 months to find a >>> new space. If it's not possible, I can try to dissolve the lease, but the >>> company is not just me. >>> ** Torrie: I just want out space back, more than 6 months will get me >>> angry again. >>> *** I want the space back, I will find whatever you want I just want the >>> space back. >>> ** Things were rushed through that shouldn't have been. >>> ** Everyone will make their best effort to assist Something New LLC to >>> vacate the sub-lease with SynHak early. >>> *** No Legal repercussions. >>> *** Both Parties will agree >>> ** G: I've been listening. There seems to be some disagreement and lack >>> of actual lease in hand. I don't want to hear about the lease ever again. >>> *** I'm familiar with beauracracy, records are good. >>> *** We need a paper records, We need a copy tonight. >>> **** G will use interesting methods to distribute it if we don't get one. >>> ** Tim is an awesome mediator. >>> >>> * I propose an ammendment of the SynHak Bylaws to reflect our current >>> address and principle office as 48S Summit, Akron, Oh. >>> ** Consensed, voted, approved. >>> * >>> >>> == Discussion Items == >>> >>> If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be >>> postponed until after the meeting ends. >>> >>> During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exactly what each >>> person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or >>> controversy here. 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