A OK, now I know.
Too bad about the burritos. P On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll clarify what I can: > >"jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? > I'm not sure. There was a brief side discussion and my understanding was > they are some sort of work related spreadsheet to help monitor project > progress > > >"Kobol" - variation of Cobol? > Yes Cobol the programming language, whereas Kobol is a mythical planet in > the rebooted Battlestar Galactica Universe. > > >"wild rover" - a computer game? > It's an irish folk song. > > >Did I miss out on some Free Burritos > I think Torrie was just discussing her dinner. Not released for public > consumption. > > regards, > Andrew L > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Philip P. Patnode <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Andrew, >> >> As long as you are on a roll, please "clarify" the following for me = >> >> "jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? >> >> "Kobol" - variation of Cobol? >> >> "wild rover" - a computer game? >> >> Did I miss out on some free burritos or did Torrie just allude to their >> existence in a faraway kitchen? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Philip >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> It's been brought to my attention that what was intended as a >>> lighthearted expression of jealousy for a cool toy didn't get recorded >>> that way in the minutes. >>> >>> >* Alex - It's, he does it >>> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row >>> * Andy - builds pinball machines >>> * Justin - Brings cookies >>> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator >>> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks >>> * Philip - heard about cookies >>> * Tim - Enjoys robotics >>> * Becca - writes jeb sheets >>> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal >>> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time >>> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all >>> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender >>> * Craig - is fine >>> * Torrie - makes burritos >>> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today >>> * Devin - moderates today >>> * Anthony - Developes software >>> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value >>> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover >>> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library >>> ** Found out about us through our website >>> >>> To clarify, neither Mike nor his laser keyboard suck. The comment has >>> been removed from the archived version of the minutes but without >>> complicated techromancy it is not possible to change the minutes as >>> displayed in this thread. >>> Apologies for the poor recording and confusion it caused. >>> >>> regards, >>> Andrew L >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Phong <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Bonjour, hakkers! >>>> >>>> I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2014-03-18 and that the >>>> minutes are posted. They are visible on the web at >>>> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-18. I've also included them in >>>> this mail for reading at your leisure: >>>> >>>> {{Infobox_meeting >>>> |time=7PM >>>> |date=2014-03-18 >>>> |venue=48 South Summit >>>> |next=Meetings/2014-3-25 >>>> |previous=Meetings/2014-3-11 >>>> }} >>>> >>>> >>>> == Note-taker == >>>> * Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes. >>>> ** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened. >>>> * Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting >>>> * Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the >>>> appropriate time. >>>> * Tell [email protected] and [email protected] if there are new >>>> members. If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to email >>>> them. >>>> >>>> == Moderator == >>>> * Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak >>>> * Speak minimally yourself >>>> * Keep the meeting moving >>>> * Handle the membership voting process >>>> * Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, >>>> as the template may occasionally change without warning. >>>> ** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior >>>> to proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. >>>> >>>> == Participants == >>>> * Say your name the first time you speak >>>> * Remain on-topic >>>> * Remain respectful of other participants >>>> >>>> = Agenda = >>>> >>>> * '''Note Taker:''' Andrew L >>>> * '''Moderator:''' Devin >>>> >>>> == Introduction and Names == >>>> >>>> * Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if >>>> anyone new is present: >>>> <blockquote>SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to >>>> make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help >>>> others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through and >>>> depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals >>>> such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each >>>> other."</blockquote> >>>> * Round of introductions >>>> ** What is your name? >>>> ** What do you do? >>>> ** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK? >>>> >>>> * Alex - It's, he does it >>>> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row >>>> * Andy - builds pinball machines >>>> * Justin - Brings cookies >>>> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator >>>> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks >>>> * Philip - heard about cookies >>>> * Tim - Enjoys robotics >>>> * Becca - writes jeb sheets >>>> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal >>>> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time >>>> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all >>>> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender >>>> * Craig - is fine >>>> * Torrie - makes burritos >>>> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today >>>> * Devin - moderates today >>>> * Anthony - Developes software >>>> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value >>>> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover >>>> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library >>>> ** Found out about us through our website >>>> >>>> == Announcements == >>>> >>>> * Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know? >>>> * Any happenings that people should be aware of? >>>> * Computers have multiplied >>>> ** 4 laptops for use >>>> *** There's one on the desk in the back labeled -Do Not Hack- >>>> **** ....Don't hack it. >>>> *** if you have OS preferences let omar know, or install yourself >>>> **** Don't ruin the windows partition >>>> *** 3 in Palm room, >>>> ** Lenovo for all sorts of hacking, no holds barred >>>> *** Located in the Palm room >>>> ** Keep an eye on Announce@ for laptop sales and pricing >>>> * Martin brought his rover >>>> ** build in progress, working boom and camera platform >>>> *** demo after meeting >>>> * G brought in paint >>>> ** all manner of paint >>>> ** painting materials included >>>> * Andy found the LCD for the jukebox >>>> ** Tom was doing things and stuff with it, detailed on NOC@ >>>> * Switches stopped switching on the network >>>> ** Craig to build things in the basement to keep things dry and safe >>>> ** If you know of a source of cheap(free?) pallets(12-15) so we can rig >>>> up a raised floor >>>> * All machines using SDRAM or older to be in the mainspace >>>> ** likely to be placed in the hack pile so they get used or otherwise >>>> disappear >>>> ** give them a purpose >>>> * This Saturday at 12pm The Greater Akron Robotics Club(GARC) at SynHak >>>> ** First meeting :) >>>> ** Highschool and Junior high students >>>> ** Willing Chaperones and knowledgeable folk encouraged to attend >>>> * Notacon 4/10-15/14 >>>> * Akron Mini-Makerfaire 10/18 >>>> ** get ideas together >>>> * Akron Public library wants help to get a learn-to-solder class up and >>>> running >>>> ** Learn basic electronics too >>>> * Cleveland Makerfaire 3/29 12-6pm >>>> ** Cleveland public Library >>>> * Bay area makerfaire 5/17-18 >>>> ** Tiny circuits attending >>>> * 3/26 Torrie talks about SynHak infrastructure >>>> ** 8pm >>>> ** AWS, Synhak.org >>>> * 4/09 Alex talks about Mesh networking >>>> * 4/23 Shop Safety >>>> ** another welding class being scheduled, time TBA >>>> * Dave wants to do some local history >>>> >>>> == Membership == >>>> * Read off any names open for application >>>> * Philip >>>> ** Been visiting us since the old space, sponsored by Devin, Justin >>>> ** Wants to join to: meet people, learn things, make things to sell on >>>> etsy, fix things to sell on ebay >>>> *** Lists a whole host of cool projects >>>> ** Also wants to use our cofee pot and restrooms >>>> * Timothy >>>> ** Nickname: Orvel >>>> ** Wants to get the Greater Akron Robotics Club running at SynHak and >>>> ** Sponsored by Torrie, Devin >>>> * Whats Hacking mean to you? >>>> ** Philip: reminds him of nefarious activities, learned it means 'doing >>>> something different to things' it really depends on who you ask and what >>>> they're doing at the time. Hacking and Making at SynHak are a good >>>> combination . Approaching problems and finding a working solution >>>> ** Tim: starting with raw materials and findig a new or use for them >>>> * What makes you happy >>>> ** Philip: Chocolate, Sunshine, waking up on the right side of the >>>> ground. >>>> ** Tim: Enjoys the question, Seeing things made better, fighting >>>> entropy, Robotics, meeting a challenge and purpose. >>>> * Directed to Tim; Do you have intentions in founding and an >>>> underground robotics fight club >>>> ** ---things and stuff---- >>>> * Who's your favorite pioneer and why >>>> ** Tim: Benjamin Franklin, he did -everything- >>>> ** Philip: Da Vinci, introduced me to science when I was young. >>>> Encouraged by his parents to pursue science and engineering. >>>> * Dog or cat? >>>> ** Philip: Racoons >>>> ** Tim: Dogs, despite owning cats >>>> * How do you want to improve SynHak? >>>> ** Tim: Help utilize the infrastructure to improve the community, in >>>> part through the robotics club >>>> *** Excellent dumpsterdiving skills/luck >>>> ** Philip: Contributing skills and interests, perhaps teaching >>>> (photography?), wants to take responsibility and do-ocracy things. >>>> Recycling to help burn victims. Encourage people to bring in science and >>>> technology photos to contribute to the display wall. I want to keep >>>> learning, do something, I want to build a drone with a camera, and flames. >>>> Install CHDK on my little point and shoot. Always willing to help, even if >>>> it's just gophering. >>>> * Directed at Tim:What do you expect to learn or be changed by SynHak >>>> ** SynHak will help keep me young, continue learning new skills, This >>>> is the garage I don't have space/money for. >>>> * What to consensus, do-ocracy mean to you? >>>> ** Tim: Do-ocracy lines up closer with how people actually function. >>>> Lower stress often times.Servent leadership, it's better to light a candle >>>> than complain about the darkness. Skills and authority don't always align >>>> and Do-ocracy alleviates this. Consensus is harder to define. There's so >>>> many ways to communicate which can make it hard to pin down. Excellence >>>> boils down to the golden rule. >>>> ** Philip: Who came up with be excellent? (Bill & Ted). Do-ocracy is a >>>> bit foreign at first glance. It's about being a member of a group that >>>> satisfies you and benefits the group. A way to be a member, acting >>>> responsibly, individually, and with a purpose. It takes a willingness in >>>> the community to suceed. Being excellent is a character trait. It's more >>>> than good manners. It takes constant work and aspiration. You know it when >>>> you see it. Consensus: Majority rules, to an extent. It requires a >>>> knowledgeable group as well as individual. >>>> * Who's your favorite robotics team(battlebots, Curiosity)? >>>> ** Tim: FIRST robotics got me started but I'm currently active in BEST >>>> robotics. Your biggest expense with them is traveling to events. >>>> >>>> Both approved, hooray >>>> >>>> == Financial Report == >>>> >>>> * Funds in bank: 20,417.22 >>>> * Liabilities: 2,956.50 >>>> * Liabilities & Equity: 20,417.22 >>>> * >>>> * Spiff is updated with dues and membership credits >>>> ** You can view these things >>>> *** SynHak.org > sidebar > Spiff > Login/Register >>>> **** Buttons setup if you forgot your credentials >>>> **** Use password reset if this is your first login, The email you have >>>> on your application is where the password gets sent. >>>> ** You can also ask Torrie >>>> * $2000 in unpaid dues, get that to her >>>> >>>> == Proposals == >>>> >>>> * Becca wants a key >>>> ** To help with open hours >>>> *** attempts to extort a key based on cupcakes >>>> ** Vote - Approved >>>> >>>> * Tim wants to apply for a key >>>> ** Just needs to fill the application, to be voted on next week >>>> >>>> * Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14 day notice to vacate >>>> the premises. >>>> The racks shall be dismantled and removed after the 14 day notice. >>>> If there is opposition from Something New Entertainment, LLC, eviction >>>> procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio will be enacted by the >>>> Champions. >>>> ** Justin: 5.2.1 in the bylaws says voting clearly, not consensus. >>>> ** Torrie: There is no legal contract/lease. >>>> *** Some of this action was unilateral. >>>> *** We need a copy of the lease, there wasn't any revision by anyone >>>> but the signitories prior to it's signing. Significant disagreement with >>>> the wording and the Synhak community. >>>> *** Legal counsel as informed by Torrie says that the board member who >>>> signed the lease had no legal right to do so. >>>> *** 5.2.1 does not give the right to vote on everything. This is a >>>> slippery slope. Storage racks take up 10% of the space. The discussion of >>>> this what severely lacking. >>>> *** There's a page on the wiki that describes consensus. >>>> **** We follow the dictionary definition largely but the main point is >>>> talk things out. >>>> *** No checks have been cashed, this is taxable income and will make >>>> things difficult come tax time. >>>> ** Devin: the racks take up small amounts of space 150 sq feet of 4000. >>>> *** One person said 'I don't like this', but nothing constructive. >>>> ** Devin: To clarify: if one person is against an idea we cannot >>>> proceed? >>>> *** Torrie: Yes, I've been talking with other hackerspaces and I have a >>>> proposal in the works to solidify this. >>>> ** There's been a mix of 'consensus' and 'majority rule' >>>> ** Omar: we need to find a middle ground, this and other problems won't >>>> go away. >>>> ** Andrew: why wasn't this brought up at a meeting in a formal manner? >>>> *** some/all of this could have been avoided >>>> **** Devin: This was indeed rushed through due to percieved cash >>>> shortages >>>> ** Justin: I had brought this up during proposals. There was a general >>>> thought that we were lacking on funds and had a new space to build-out. The >>>> rent was come up with after reviewing some notes and the treasurers own >>>> finance reports detailing possible raises in dues. >>>> *** the lease was brought up on the build layout with discussion Torrie >>>> was party to. The sublease was signed by the same person who signed the >>>> lease by SynHak. Justin was under the impression of authority. >>>> *** Counter-proposal: End the Lease at 6-months, My own legal council >>>> disagrees with Torries legal council's opinion. >>>> ** Mike: Disagreements in legal opinion normally get decided in court. >>>> Our most valuable asset is not our space but it is our members. This has >>>> been drawn out far too long. >>>> *** I too was under the impression that there was consensus, while >>>> there had been no vote, there was no ill-intent. I have no problem with the >>>> 6-month lease, nor a full year lease >>>> ** Steve: There should have been and still needs to be a vote. THis is >>>> getting tiring. >>>> ** Torrie: I've been trying to have a discusssion, questions have been >>>> ignored, people refuse to talk to me. >>>> *** Documentation for any of this is lacking >>>> *** The lease was never reviewed, subleasing space is antithetical to >>>> SynHak. Having a monopoly on the space goes against our mission >>>> *** Voting vs Consensus: Whats the point? We've gone by consensus for >>>> most other decisions. voting ends up in the majority steamrolling someone. >>>> ** Tim: Finding a solution for now and repairing friendships may be >>>> more important than finding ways to right wrongs done. >>>> ** Becca: We don't have a time machine. Finishing out the 6-month lease >>>> seems to be the easiest way to resolve this. >>>> *** We should decide to no longer lease out space. >>>> *** Mike Agrees >>>> ** Mike: we've learned our lesson, there probably doesn't need to be a >>>> formal rule >>>> ** Omar: hindsight is 20/20. This came about as a result of questions >>>> left unanswered at the old space and got lost in the confusion of the move >>>> and transitioning to a new treasurer. Majority opinion ranged from >>>> uninterested to unopposing. >>>> *** Too much of this was verbal only, so if you weren't there you had >>>> no idea what was said. >>>> *** differing legal opinions are expensive to resolve, lets do some >>>> other way. >>>> *** We need Torrie, A champion not involved, and the business officer >>>> of Something New, LLC in the same room. >>>> ** Justin: I want this over with, voted on, no consensus, no working >>>> group. I've been defaced in a public forum. >>>> ** Torrie: If voting(without consensus) occurs I resign. >>>> ** Justin: I don't feel the things already brought up are reasonable. >>>> ** Torrie: I am open to discussin alternatives. This proposal is fluid, >>>> lets find a solution that works for everyone. Consensus is the important >>>> thing. >>>> ** Justin: Proposals have exact text, with hard lines. This wording has >>>> been on the books for a while if people didn't proxy or arrange to be >>>> present they didn't have much though on the matter. >>>> ** Omar: Emotions often make people want to rush things. Lets make sure >>>> we don't do that. >>>> ** Steve: Consensus vs voting discussion is new to me. We need to vote >>>> on this >>>> **** A vote has been proposed and seconded. >>>> ** Jeff: This is my second meeting, I thought I was going to hear about >>>> making things, not all this. I read a book about a nun who started a TV >>>> network. Sanate: healing at the root. If we go into a legal battle we will >>>> lose a member. Much of this discussion has not lived up to the ideals on >>>> your website. >>>> ** Justin: The wiki is editable by everyone and anyone. Bylaws are >>>> permenant and our 'rules'. >>>> ** Becca: I just want to know if we don't go forward with a vote, how >>>> do we resolve this so Something New LLC has enough time to find a new >>>> space. >>>> ** Torrie: Anyone can modify proposals prior to or at meetings. I want >>>> to reach common ground. I don't want to throw away everything I've worked >>>> for. I -want- to agree. >>>> ** Steve: We should just vote on it >>>> ** Craig: Consensus doesn't work with 2 hard lines in the sand >>>> ** Becca: It seemed to the me that that was the case, this appears to >>>> not be the case. >>>> ** Tim: Torrie wants to keep this from happening again in the future, >>>> and resolved no. Justin wants to mitigate impacts to business, and to not >>>> be evicted. >>>> *** We want to this end quickly was well. What do you thing the >>>> earliest you could move out is. >>>> *** Justin Correct, it's hard to find rentable space that fits my >>>> height and area needs. I don't know, finding space for my racks is hard, >>>> I've been looking. Offering to help move is nice. I really need 6 months to >>>> find a new space. If it's not possible, I can try to dissolve the lease, >>>> but the company is not just me. >>>> ** Torrie: I just want out space back, more than 6 months will get me >>>> angry again. >>>> *** I want the space back, I will find whatever you want I just want >>>> the space back. >>>> ** Things were rushed through that shouldn't have been. >>>> ** Everyone will make their best effort to assist Something New LLC to >>>> vacate the sub-lease with SynHak early. >>>> *** No Legal repercussions. >>>> *** Both Parties will agree >>>> ** G: I've been listening. There seems to be some disagreement and lack >>>> of actual lease in hand. I don't want to hear about the lease ever again. >>>> *** I'm familiar with beauracracy, records are good. >>>> *** We need a paper records, We need a copy tonight. >>>> **** G will use interesting methods to distribute it if we don't get >>>> one. >>>> ** Tim is an awesome mediator. >>>> >>>> * I propose an ammendment of the SynHak Bylaws to reflect our current >>>> address and principle office as 48S Summit, Akron, Oh. >>>> ** Consensed, voted, approved. >>>> * >>>> >>>> == Discussion Items == >>>> >>>> If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be >>>> postponed until after the meeting ends. >>>> >>>> During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exactly what each >>>> person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus or >>>> controversy here. 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