On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:45:43 a l wrote: > I'll clarify what I can: > >"jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? > > I'm not sure. There was a brief side discussion and my understanding was > they are some sort of work related spreadsheet to help monitor project > progress > > >"Kobol" - variation of Cobol? > > Yes Cobol the programming language, whereas Kobol is a mythical planet in > the rebooted Battlestar Galactica Universe. > > >"wild rover" - a computer game? > > It's an irish folk song. > > >Did I miss out on some Free Burritos > > I think Torrie was just discussing her dinner. Not released for public > consumption.
Correct. And they were delicious. > > regards, > Andrew L > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Philip P. Patnode <[email protected]>wrote: > > Andrew, > > > > As long as you are on a roll, please "clarify" the following for me = > > > > "jeb sheets" - laundry for Jeb? > > > > "Kobol" - variation of Cobol? > > > > "wild rover" - a computer game? > > > > Did I miss out on some free burritos or did Torrie just allude to their > > existence in a faraway kitchen? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Philip > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hey all, > >> It's been brought to my attention that what was intended as a > >> lighthearted expression of jealousy for a cool toy didn't get recorded > >> that way in the minutes. > >> > >> >* Alex - It's, he does it > >> > >> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row > >> * Andy - builds pinball machines > >> * Justin - Brings cookies > >> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator > >> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks > >> * Philip - heard about cookies > >> * Tim - Enjoys robotics > >> * Becca - writes jeb sheets > >> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal > >> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time > >> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all > >> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender > >> * Craig - is fine > >> * Torrie - makes burritos > >> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today > >> * Devin - moderates today > >> * Anthony - Developes software > >> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value > >> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover > >> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library > >> ** Found out about us through our website > >> > >> To clarify, neither Mike nor his laser keyboard suck. The comment has > >> been removed from the archived version of the minutes but without > >> complicated techromancy it is not possible to change the minutes as > >> displayed in this thread. > >> Apologies for the poor recording and confusion it caused. > >> > >> regards, > >> Andrew L > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Phong <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Bonjour, hakkers! > >>> > >>> I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2014-03-18 and that the minutes > >>> are posted. They are visible on the web at > >>> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-18. I've also included them in > >>> this mail for reading at your leisure: > >>> > >>> {{Infobox_meeting > >>> > >>> |time=7PM > >>> |date=2014-03-18 > >>> |venue=48 South Summit > >>> |next=Meetings/2014-3-25 > >>> |previous=Meetings/2014-3-11 > >>> > >>> }} > >>> > >>> > >>> == Note-taker == > >>> * Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes. > >>> ** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened. > >>> * Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting > >>> * Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the > >>> appropriate time. > >>> * Tell [email protected] and [email protected] if there are new > >>> members. If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to > >>> email > >>> them. > >>> > >>> == Moderator == > >>> * Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak > >>> * Speak minimally yourself > >>> * Keep the meeting moving > >>> * Handle the membership voting process > >>> * Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, > >>> as the template may occasionally change without warning. > >>> ** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to > >>> proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. > >>> > >>> == Participants == > >>> * Say your name the first time you speak > >>> * Remain on-topic > >>> * Remain respectful of other participants > >>> > >>> = Agenda = > >>> > >>> * '''Note Taker:''' Andrew L > >>> * '''Moderator:''' Devin > >>> > >>> == Introduction and Names == > >>> > >>> * Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if > >>> anyone new is present: > >>> <blockquote>SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to > >>> make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help > >>> others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through > >>> and > >>> depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals > >>> such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each > >>> other."</blockquote> > >>> * Round of introductions > >>> ** What is your name? > >>> ** What do you do? > >>> ** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK? > >>> > >>> * Alex - It's, he does it > >>> * Jeff - does 2 meetings in a row > >>> * Andy - builds pinball machines > >>> * Justin - Brings cookies > >>> * Omar - writes how-to guides for the lowest common denomenator > >>> * Mike - Has a laser keyboard, sucks > >>> * Philip - heard about cookies > >>> * Tim - Enjoys robotics > >>> * Becca - writes jeb sheets > >>> * Dave - Helps to repair the canal > >>> * Steve - Shows up late, but on time > >>> * Matt - Avoids Kobol, so say we all > >>> * Mila - Also a second meeting attender > >>> * Craig - is fine > >>> * Torrie - makes burritos > >>> * Andrew - attends entire meetings today > >>> * Devin - moderates today > >>> * Anthony - Developes software > >>> * Jessie - Fiance to Anthony, comes for the amusement value > >>> * Martin - still roving, plays the wild rover > >>> * Victor - Attends KSU, works in the tech-center library > >>> ** Found out about us through our website > >>> > >>> == Announcements == > >>> > >>> * Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know? > >>> * Any happenings that people should be aware of? > >>> * Computers have multiplied > >>> ** 4 laptops for use > >>> *** There's one on the desk in the back labeled -Do Not Hack- > >>> **** ....Don't hack it. > >>> *** if you have OS preferences let omar know, or install yourself > >>> **** Don't ruin the windows partition > >>> *** 3 in Palm room, > >>> ** Lenovo for all sorts of hacking, no holds barred > >>> *** Located in the Palm room > >>> ** Keep an eye on Announce@ for laptop sales and pricing > >>> * Martin brought his rover > >>> ** build in progress, working boom and camera platform > >>> *** demo after meeting > >>> * G brought in paint > >>> ** all manner of paint > >>> ** painting materials included > >>> * Andy found the LCD for the jukebox > >>> ** Tom was doing things and stuff with it, detailed on NOC@ > >>> * Switches stopped switching on the network > >>> ** Craig to build things in the basement to keep things dry and safe > >>> ** If you know of a source of cheap(free?) pallets(12-15) so we can rig > >>> up a raised floor > >>> * All machines using SDRAM or older to be in the mainspace > >>> ** likely to be placed in the hack pile so they get used or otherwise > >>> disappear > >>> ** give them a purpose > >>> * This Saturday at 12pm The Greater Akron Robotics Club(GARC) at SynHak > >>> ** First meeting :) > >>> ** Highschool and Junior high students > >>> ** Willing Chaperones and knowledgeable folk encouraged to attend > >>> * Notacon 4/10-15/14 > >>> * Akron Mini-Makerfaire 10/18 > >>> ** get ideas together > >>> * Akron Public library wants help to get a learn-to-solder class up and > >>> running > >>> ** Learn basic electronics too > >>> * Cleveland Makerfaire 3/29 12-6pm > >>> ** Cleveland public Library > >>> * Bay area makerfaire 5/17-18 > >>> ** Tiny circuits attending > >>> * 3/26 Torrie talks about SynHak infrastructure > >>> ** 8pm > >>> ** AWS, Synhak.org > >>> * 4/09 Alex talks about Mesh networking > >>> * 4/23 Shop Safety > >>> ** another welding class being scheduled, time TBA > >>> * Dave wants to do some local history > >>> > >>> == Membership == > >>> * Read off any names open for application > >>> * Philip > >>> ** Been visiting us since the old space, sponsored by Devin, Justin > >>> ** Wants to join to: meet people, learn things, make things to sell on > >>> etsy, fix things to sell on ebay > >>> *** Lists a whole host of cool projects > >>> ** Also wants to use our cofee pot and restrooms > >>> * Timothy > >>> ** Nickname: Orvel > >>> ** Wants to get the Greater Akron Robotics Club running at SynHak and > >>> ** Sponsored by Torrie, Devin > >>> * Whats Hacking mean to you? > >>> ** Philip: reminds him of nefarious activities, learned it means 'doing > >>> something different to things' it really depends on who you ask and what > >>> they're doing at the time. Hacking and Making at SynHak are a good > >>> combination . Approaching problems and finding a working solution > >>> ** Tim: starting with raw materials and findig a new or use for them > >>> * What makes you happy > >>> ** Philip: Chocolate, Sunshine, waking up on the right side of the > >>> ground. > >>> ** Tim: Enjoys the question, Seeing things made better, fighting > >>> entropy, Robotics, meeting a challenge and purpose. > >>> * Directed to Tim; Do you have intentions in founding and an underground > >>> robotics fight club > >>> ** ---things and stuff---- > >>> * Who's your favorite pioneer and why > >>> ** Tim: Benjamin Franklin, he did -everything- > >>> ** Philip: Da Vinci, introduced me to science when I was young. > >>> Encouraged by his parents to pursue science and engineering. > >>> * Dog or cat? > >>> ** Philip: Racoons > >>> ** Tim: Dogs, despite owning cats > >>> * How do you want to improve SynHak? > >>> ** Tim: Help utilize the infrastructure to improve the community, in > >>> part through the robotics club > >>> *** Excellent dumpsterdiving skills/luck > >>> ** Philip: Contributing skills and interests, perhaps teaching > >>> (photography?), wants to take responsibility and do-ocracy things. > >>> Recycling to help burn victims. Encourage people to bring in science and > >>> technology photos to contribute to the display wall. I want to keep > >>> learning, do something, I want to build a drone with a camera, and > >>> flames. > >>> Install CHDK on my little point and shoot. Always willing to help, even > >>> if > >>> it's just gophering. > >>> * Directed at Tim:What do you expect to learn or be changed by SynHak > >>> ** SynHak will help keep me young, continue learning new skills, This is > >>> the garage I don't have space/money for. > >>> * What to consensus, do-ocracy mean to you? > >>> ** Tim: Do-ocracy lines up closer with how people actually function. > >>> Lower stress often times.Servent leadership, it's better to light a > >>> candle > >>> than complain about the darkness. Skills and authority don't always > >>> align > >>> and Do-ocracy alleviates this. Consensus is harder to define. There's so > >>> many ways to communicate which can make it hard to pin down. Excellence > >>> boils down to the golden rule. > >>> ** Philip: Who came up with be excellent? (Bill & Ted). Do-ocracy is a > >>> bit foreign at first glance. It's about being a member of a group that > >>> satisfies you and benefits the group. A way to be a member, acting > >>> responsibly, individually, and with a purpose. It takes a willingness in > >>> the community to suceed. Being excellent is a character trait. It's more > >>> than good manners. It takes constant work and aspiration. You know it > >>> when > >>> you see it. Consensus: Majority rules, to an extent. It requires a > >>> knowledgeable group as well as individual. > >>> * Who's your favorite robotics team(battlebots, Curiosity)? > >>> ** Tim: FIRST robotics got me started but I'm currently active in BEST > >>> robotics. Your biggest expense with them is traveling to events. > >>> > >>> Both approved, hooray > >>> > >>> == Financial Report == > >>> > >>> * Funds in bank: 20,417.22 > >>> * Liabilities: 2,956.50 > >>> * Liabilities & Equity: 20,417.22 > >>> * > >>> * Spiff is updated with dues and membership credits > >>> ** You can view these things > >>> *** SynHak.org > sidebar > Spiff > Login/Register > >>> **** Buttons setup if you forgot your credentials > >>> **** Use password reset if this is your first login, The email you have > >>> on your application is where the password gets sent. > >>> ** You can also ask Torrie > >>> * $2000 in unpaid dues, get that to her > >>> > >>> == Proposals == > >>> > >>> * Becca wants a key > >>> ** To help with open hours > >>> *** attempts to extort a key based on cupcakes > >>> ** Vote - Approved > >>> > >>> * Tim wants to apply for a key > >>> ** Just needs to fill the application, to be voted on next week > >>> > >>> * Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14 day notice to vacate > >>> the premises. > >>> The racks shall be dismantled and removed after the 14 day notice. > >>> If there is opposition from Something New Entertainment, LLC, eviction > >>> procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio will be enacted by the > >>> Champions. > >>> ** Justin: 5.2.1 in the bylaws says voting clearly, not consensus. > >>> ** Torrie: There is no legal contract/lease. > >>> *** Some of this action was unilateral. > >>> *** We need a copy of the lease, there wasn't any revision by anyone but > >>> the signitories prior to it's signing. Significant disagreement with the > >>> wording and the Synhak community. > >>> *** Legal counsel as informed by Torrie says that the board member who > >>> signed the lease had no legal right to do so. > >>> *** 5.2.1 does not give the right to vote on everything. This is a > >>> slippery slope. Storage racks take up 10% of the space. The discussion > >>> of > >>> this what severely lacking. > >>> *** There's a page on the wiki that describes consensus. > >>> **** We follow the dictionary definition largely but the main point is > >>> talk things out. > >>> *** No checks have been cashed, this is taxable income and will make > >>> things difficult come tax time. > >>> ** Devin: the racks take up small amounts of space 150 sq feet of 4000. > >>> *** One person said 'I don't like this', but nothing constructive. > >>> ** Devin: To clarify: if one person is against an idea we cannot > >>> proceed? > >>> *** Torrie: Yes, I've been talking with other hackerspaces and I have a > >>> proposal in the works to solidify this. > >>> ** There's been a mix of 'consensus' and 'majority rule' > >>> ** Omar: we need to find a middle ground, this and other problems won't > >>> go away. > >>> ** Andrew: why wasn't this brought up at a meeting in a formal manner? > >>> *** some/all of this could have been avoided > >>> **** Devin: This was indeed rushed through due to percieved cash > >>> shortages > >>> ** Justin: I had brought this up during proposals. There was a general > >>> thought that we were lacking on funds and had a new space to build-out. > >>> The > >>> rent was come up with after reviewing some notes and the treasurers own > >>> finance reports detailing possible raises in dues. > >>> *** the lease was brought up on the build layout with discussion Torrie > >>> was party to. The sublease was signed by the same person who signed the > >>> lease by SynHak. Justin was under the impression of authority. > >>> *** Counter-proposal: End the Lease at 6-months, My own legal council > >>> disagrees with Torries legal council's opinion. > >>> ** Mike: Disagreements in legal opinion normally get decided in court. > >>> Our most valuable asset is not our space but it is our members. This has > >>> been drawn out far too long. > >>> *** I too was under the impression that there was consensus, while there > >>> had been no vote, there was no ill-intent. I have no problem with the > >>> 6-month lease, nor a full year lease > >>> ** Steve: There should have been and still needs to be a vote. THis is > >>> getting tiring. > >>> ** Torrie: I've been trying to have a discusssion, questions have been > >>> ignored, people refuse to talk to me. > >>> *** Documentation for any of this is lacking > >>> *** The lease was never reviewed, subleasing space is antithetical to > >>> SynHak. Having a monopoly on the space goes against our mission > >>> *** Voting vs Consensus: Whats the point? We've gone by consensus for > >>> most other decisions. voting ends up in the majority steamrolling > >>> someone. > >>> ** Tim: Finding a solution for now and repairing friendships may be more > >>> important than finding ways to right wrongs done. > >>> ** Becca: We don't have a time machine. Finishing out the 6-month lease > >>> seems to be the easiest way to resolve this. > >>> *** We should decide to no longer lease out space. > >>> *** Mike Agrees > >>> ** Mike: we've learned our lesson, there probably doesn't need to be a > >>> formal rule > >>> ** Omar: hindsight is 20/20. This came about as a result of questions > >>> left unanswered at the old space and got lost in the confusion of the > >>> move > >>> and transitioning to a new treasurer. Majority opinion ranged from > >>> uninterested to unopposing. > >>> *** Too much of this was verbal only, so if you weren't there you had no > >>> idea what was said. > >>> *** differing legal opinions are expensive to resolve, lets do some > >>> other way. > >>> *** We need Torrie, A champion not involved, and the business officer of > >>> Something New, LLC in the same room. > >>> ** Justin: I want this over with, voted on, no consensus, no working > >>> group. I've been defaced in a public forum. > >>> ** Torrie: If voting(without consensus) occurs I resign. > >>> ** Justin: I don't feel the things already brought up are reasonable. > >>> ** Torrie: I am open to discussin alternatives. This proposal is fluid, > >>> lets find a solution that works for everyone. Consensus is the important > >>> thing. > >>> ** Justin: Proposals have exact text, with hard lines. This wording has > >>> been on the books for a while if people didn't proxy or arrange to be > >>> present they didn't have much though on the matter. > >>> ** Omar: Emotions often make people want to rush things. Lets make sure > >>> we don't do that. > >>> ** Steve: Consensus vs voting discussion is new to me. We need to vote > >>> on this > >>> **** A vote has been proposed and seconded. > >>> ** Jeff: This is my second meeting, I thought I was going to hear about > >>> making things, not all this. I read a book about a nun who started a TV > >>> network. Sanate: healing at the root. If we go into a legal battle we > >>> will > >>> lose a member. Much of this discussion has not lived up to the ideals on > >>> your website. > >>> ** Justin: The wiki is editable by everyone and anyone. Bylaws are > >>> permenant and our 'rules'. > >>> ** Becca: I just want to know if we don't go forward with a vote, how do > >>> we resolve this so Something New LLC has enough time to find a new > >>> space. > >>> ** Torrie: Anyone can modify proposals prior to or at meetings. I want > >>> to reach common ground. I don't want to throw away everything I've > >>> worked > >>> for. I -want- to agree. > >>> ** Steve: We should just vote on it > >>> ** Craig: Consensus doesn't work with 2 hard lines in the sand > >>> ** Becca: It seemed to the me that that was the case, this appears to > >>> not be the case. > >>> ** Tim: Torrie wants to keep this from happening again in the future, > >>> and resolved no. Justin wants to mitigate impacts to business, and to > >>> not > >>> be evicted. > >>> *** We want to this end quickly was well. What do you thing the earliest > >>> you could move out is. > >>> *** Justin Correct, it's hard to find rentable space that fits my height > >>> and area needs. I don't know, finding space for my racks is hard, I've > >>> been > >>> looking. Offering to help move is nice. I really need 6 months to find a > >>> new space. If it's not possible, I can try to dissolve the lease, but > >>> the > >>> company is not just me. > >>> ** Torrie: I just want out space back, more than 6 months will get me > >>> angry again. > >>> *** I want the space back, I will find whatever you want I just want the > >>> space back. > >>> ** Things were rushed through that shouldn't have been. > >>> ** Everyone will make their best effort to assist Something New LLC to > >>> vacate the sub-lease with SynHak early. > >>> *** No Legal repercussions. > >>> *** Both Parties will agree > >>> ** G: I've been listening. There seems to be some disagreement and lack > >>> of actual lease in hand. I don't want to hear about the lease ever > >>> again. > >>> *** I'm familiar with beauracracy, records are good. > >>> *** We need a paper records, We need a copy tonight. > >>> **** G will use interesting methods to distribute it if we don't get > >>> one. > >>> ** Tim is an awesome mediator. > >>> > >>> * I propose an ammendment of the SynHak Bylaws to reflect our current > >>> address and principle office as 48S Summit, Akron, Oh. > >>> ** Consensed, voted, approved. > >>> * > >>> > >>> == Discussion Items == > >>> > >>> If an item of discussion drags on too long, further discussion may be > >>> postponed until after the meeting ends. > >>> > >>> During discussion, it is not necessary to write down exactly what each > >>> person says. Record the topics of discussion, and any items of consensus > >>> or > >>> controversy here. Detailed descriptions of the conversation should go on > >>> the discuss page for this meeting. > >>> > >>> = End of Meeting = > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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