Andrew
About point two:
I have never sat through an interview for SYNHAK let alone a job interview
that questioned the applicant about how a place they are joining works. All
the questions I have heard and wee asked of me were: cat or dog? What makes
you happy? What's your favorite drink? Operating system of choice?
If those were not accurate enough questions then I feel all the members who
had this line of questioning should be reinterviewed as well as the from
the beginning Hackers that didn't go through interviews
On May 15, 2014 12:34 AM, "a l" <leit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the double post. I didn't want my comments to get mistaken as
> meeting minutes. I tried to put headings on things in case people didn't
> want to read a lengthy email
>
> 1) Apparently I wasn't clear with my wording regarding Wills membership. I
> ('the secretary') did not say that 'Everything is ok, and last weeks vote
> is upheld.". What I said was "Last week was a fairly involved interview,
> you don't need to do that again. Be sure his(and AJ9's) memberships get
> brought up." Meaning his membership needs voted/consented on properly at
> this meeting.
> That said: no one expressed any desire to block his joining and no one
> protested at the meeting.
>
> 2) While AJ9's interview was a bit hostile those are important questions
> that need asked more frequently by more people. If someone has no idea how
> or why we govern the way we do how can we expect them to follow the rules
> and help build a better community? Perhaps you could respond to the some of
> the questions via email? Particularly consensus and do-ocracy. Feel free
> disagree with them! We're an organic collaboration(or at least bill
> ourselves as such), we won't grow if we don't get new ideas. On that note,
> I'm going to add a question of my own: You mention you're interested in
> non-profit work and need a cause to work with right now. What draws you to
> SynHak compared to the other non-profits in the area?
>
> 3)Regarding the Community Working Group. There is already a proposal that
> a few people have contributed ideas to. I feel that since this changes the
> way we govern ourselves that it does warrant a full blown proposal. If we
> want the suggestions to carry any weight when they are made it needs to be
> part of the operating procedures. Xander brought up the idea of formalizing
> the face to face mediation style and incorporating it into the proposal.
> Having a few mediation templates is a great idea. My only concern is that
> we not require them to be used. Getting the disputing parties to
> communicate is goal 1A. How they do it is less important so long as they
> both agree to it and it occurs in a timely manner.
>
> I'm not convinced that using fractal groups will help. We are(were?) a
> community, intentionally dividing us further seems counter productive and
> bureaucratic. By having more mailing lists to subscribe to it makes it far
> easier for a member to be out of the loop on things that may affect them.
> People are lazy.
>
> 4) The front door. The landlord has told us not to modify it. Would we be
> able to convince him to change his mind if we(or a mutually approved
> price-quoted-prior-to-work contractor) replaced it in such a manner that
> did not prevent the easy re-installation of the original door? We need to
> balance our members physical safety with their perception of safety. By
> installing a door with a push bar we could still 'lock' the door so outside
> entry was not possible during the odd hours but in the event of a fire you
> could get out.
>
> 5) If we're going to assign blame and distribute penalties to someone for
> various signs, graffiti and other unexcellent behavior I want verified
> proof.
>
> 6) Last one I promise. Will's key application. You're a new member and a
> new face to the community. I like your enthusiasm and apologize that this
> is going to come off as an attack, it is not. You want the keys to the
> castle but a couple meetings back you were concerned with not knowing
> anyone. 24/7 is a lot of trust. Not only that our key holders won't strip
> the warehouse for machines and copper but that they'll lock up when they
> leave and be excellent hosts to visitors from the public. I don't expect
> everyone to know every other member as best friends but I find it hard to
> put faith in someone we've just met.
> Admittedly my recent and future attendance is lackluster so I welcome
> people's anecdotes to instill faith in me about this.
>
> One last time: None of the above are meant to be personal attacks. If any
> wording can be construed as such I would appreciate it if you attribute to
> poor proofreading, failure to appreciate the situation, and hasty word
> choice.
>
> regards,
> Andrew L
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:23 PM, a l <leit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the minutes so no one has to download them to read.
>>
>> Moderator: Becca Salchak
>> Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV
>>
>> Introductions:
>> Andy - Electronic Tech
>> G - Organize civic hacking events
>> Andrew - student
>> Mike - Motorola Maxx doesn't float
>> Justin - eat delicious stew
>> AJ9 - fix things
>> Philip - bicycles
>> Linda - librarian
>> Xander - make blankets
>> Torrie - build the api for the internet of things
>> Steve - I take notes
>> Alex - IT specialist
>> Chris Neer - thats it
>> Dave - hope to be a part of synhak
>> Heard about us once before then at the oddmall
>> Craig - drowns in flooded computers
>> Martha - likes these rolls
>> Devin - I like dem rolls
>> Dave2 - working on a tv script
>> Becca - works overtime
>>
>> Announcements:
>> * Dave - presentation since I'm new. I have an interest in historic
>> preservation, I am currently involved in an effort to save the keyser
>> farmstead in Cuyahoga Falls. Over the last few years been
>> trying to make it more interesting to get younger people involved. What
>> I'm looking forward to do is to take it to the next level, looking for
>> someone with skills in robotics to help make a robotic
>> horse, that would make people excited in history through a different
>> approach.
>> ** Dave2 - What do you want from us?
>> **Dave - trying to get a smaller sized horse or pig
>> ** Alex - robotics club on saturday
>> ** Becca - GARC functions out of here on the 2nd saturday's where they
>> work on robots associated with CVCA
>>
>> * Philip - I have 2
>> ** Last Saturday was the Akron Art Walk and I wound up being the only
>> member here for 5 hours, nobody else showed up, June 7th is the next one.
>> So next time we need to get things running for it, to get
>> people into SYNHAK. When people come here they need to see stuff
>> happening instead of looking at static objects. I think we need a much more
>> active demonstration going on. So I'm setting up a signup
>> sheet for the next walk. People had no idea what to expect because we
>> didn't have a paragraph in the papers handed out by the city of Akron. I
>> want to take over the art walk as far as doing something.
>> *** Torrie - so that's a really amazing idea, but I'm leaving for San
>> Francisco thursday but I'm coming back in 2 weeks. Can we meet thursday to
>> work out a plan
>> *** Philip - I need people
>> *** Alex - Hackathon on June 7th for it
>> *** Becca - We discussed last week to do our hackathon with the Akron Art
>> Walk so we will have at least something going on.
>> *** Philip - I appreciate that but we need people to explain what SYNHAK
>> is and does so we can get people interested.
>> *** Alex - I'll help you with the handouts if you want to work with me
>> sometime. With info on what we do, events going on, hackathon
>> *** Philip - Excellent
>> ** Friend of mine owns Urban Eats, they're personal friends of mine, I
>> talked to Devin last week that I wanted to do something about the crappy
>> garage door. So no what I'm going to do is I have a one
>> man business Patnode Photography so we are going to co-sponsor a jurried
>> contest, so I'm going to make 11x17 color prints of the front of the
>> building where people pay $5 to submit a picture with what they
>> want to see the front door to look like. Winner will get $40 gift card,
>> and 1/3 of the money raised Rest goes to costs. Those who submit designes
>> and the members vote on the designs. Whoever wins by
>> the most votes wins.
>> *** Xander - Only comment I have is that someone would submit one great
>> one and a bunch of meh ones
>> *** Philip - we are going to repair the garage door, because it is bleh
>> *** Becca - is this something we have to get approval by the landlord
>> *** Philip - Why?
>> *** Becca - Because it's his property
>> *** Justin - yes we do
>> *** Torrie - I will be submitting entries
>> *** Justin - We need to get approval from the land lord because the lease
>> says we can't put external signage without prior approval
>> *** Becca - I think it's a great idea
>> *** Philip - If we could get it done by the art walk that'd be great
>> *** Will - are you making a requirement to say SYNHAK on it
>> *** Xander - I asked for a copy of the lease, for the record
>>
>> * G - Just one: Akron Civic Hackathon, part of the national day of civic
>> hacking, list of people making it happen, scheduled MAy 31st - June 1st,
>> it's a vehicle for managers who have IT Problems
>> to provide the opprotunity of volunteers to solve the problem. I'm
>> hosting the event hoping for some press. Please RSVP on meetup if interested
>>
>> * Andy - Soap box derby race is starting up soon, I went last year it was
>> really fun, check the website for a list of races
>>
>> * Torrie - So I started my robotics company full time phrobo.net
>>
>> * Alex - Doing a monthly hackathon june 7th this will be for the wireless
>> mesh, I will be providing food. G if you could setup a meetup for that.
>> It's basically going to be from learning how to build it
>> to getting it built and benchmarked
>>
>> * Alex - Sundown rundown I'm doing a pitch there
>>
>> * Philip - Friday night 7:30 galaxy quest, free popcorn bring your own
>> liquids
>>
>> Membership:
>>
>> * Becca - Confusion about wiliams application, secretary said it's fine,
>> so we aren't going through the membership process again
>> ** Will - Thumbs up :D
>> ** Xander - Class schedule, enrollment letter to prove you're a student
>>
>> Name: AJ9
>> Discussion/Questions:
>> * Justin - Why do you want to be a member
>> * AJ9 Really interested in nonprofit develoment
>>
>> * Justin - any particular member you enjoy the company of
>> * AJ9 - Justin
>>
>> * Torrie - what does consensus mean to you
>> * AJ9 - Have no opnions on that subject
>>
>> * Philip - What can you contribute to SYNHAK
>> * AJ9- Graphic designs, media management, communication, fund raising
>>
>> * Alex - what can synhak do for you?
>> * AJ9 - don't have a specific cause at the moment, so I thought that this
>> could be something to do
>>
>> * Torrie - What does do-ocracy mean to you?
>> * AJ9 - I have no opinion
>> * Torrie - So why are you applying for memberhsip which gives you access
>> to governance
>> * Aj9 - I'm a member of the community so I feel I should be about to vote
>> * Torrie - how do we govern
>> * AJ9 - We don't do good job of governance
>>
>> * Mike - If you would paint your workbench a color what would it be and
>> why?
>> * AJ9 - Pink I like pink
>>
>> * Andy - favorite piece of equipment at the space
>> * AJ9 - Drillpress
>>
>> * Steve- Nintendo or Sega?
>> * AJ9 - SEGA
>>
>> * Torrie - What does synhak means to you?
>> * AJ9 - synhak is a community that is very important to me, there are
>> members who I care a lot about, I don't think I'm going to be able to come
>> up with an answer to please you
>>
>> * Xander - What makes you happy?
>> * AJ9 - Music
>>
>> * Will - what kind of music
>> * AJ9 - All kinds
>>
>> * Torrie - How would you improve synhak
>> * AJ9 - I would improve synhak through the democratic process the
>> membership determins
>> * Torrie - How would you use that to improve synhak
>> * AJ9 - Finances, would assist with management of
>>
>> * Torrie - Um... idea I've been rolling around in my head for a whil,
>> other hackerspace every month the whole membership gets together, and pay
>> their bills, talk about allocating money towards monthly
>> expenditures, and do it as a community. What problems do you percieve?
>> * AJ9 - I decline to respond
>> * Torrie - Applying for membership for access to the tools to shape
>> synhak?
>>
>> * Dave - Opinion as a guest regarding membership: Been involved in
>> history and preservation and belong to a number of organizations,
>> unfortunately we get a bad rap, we are considered white glove. We're
>> not inclusive, we're exclusive, tell people hands off don't do this. You
>> want to get as many memebrs as you can, being more inclusive. Take off the
>> white gloves, take off the attitude, share ideas get
>> together.
>>
>> * Torrie - I want to figure out what AJ9's intent of becoming a member is.
>>
>> * Philip - Public record that I support her membership, and if possible I
>> would block the block, we need confident, reliable, experiecnced, educated
>> people to help run synhak. We need people like her
>> who can help run the space. If we can approve a 7 year old who can't read
>> the by laws, yet block AJ9 is ridiculous.
>>
>> * Mike - Do you have any experience in conflict resolution
>> * AJ9 - Yes I do, in college was a mediator for the student government
>> organization
>>
>> * Devin - I see you bring a productive member of the space, and that's
>> what we need.
>>
>> * Torrie - what was the method used for conflict resolution?
>> * AJ9 - A lot of the strategies we used, followed roberts rules of order,
>> focused using I and you statements, no abusive statements
>>
>> * Andy - What's your favorite drink?
>> * AJ9 - bloody mary
>>
>> * Torrie - So what you said kind of sounds like communication techniques,
>> those are good ideas so like conflict resolution if 2 people do have a
>> problems likely due to lack of good communication, what
>> would the first step be?
>> * AJ9 - why would I make 2 people talk to eachother if they don't want to
>> talk to eachother if it isn't outwardly, and then it isn't a problem. And
>> I'm not sure this is relevant to my membership application.
>> * Becca - we should use this in discussion in CWG meeting.
>> * Torrie - would she be willing to come to a meeting?
>> * AJ9 - I would be willing to come if I believed that it was not a trap.
>>
>> * Linda - Been to 2 meetings, thinking about joining this organization,
>> thinking what the hell is going on here?
>> * AJ9 - Don't worry I doubt yours would be like this
>> * Linda - Can't believe this about someone who is willing to help
>>
>> * Justin - motion to vote
>> * Mike - seconded
>> * Steve - third
>>
>> Blocked
>>
>> Financial:
>>
>> MIA
>>
>> Proposals:
>>
>> Key Application
>>
>> Will Schafer
>>
>> Have 24 hour access to synhak because synhak isn't as available as I'd
>> like it to be, and be more open to the public
>>
>> *Will - I want it to be unlocked more, and think of the building as being
>> an asset, and more use of the asset
>>
>> * Mike - Do you intend to rob us or jack up a vehicle in the space?
>>
>> * Will - No and No.
>>
>> * Xander - Do you think you'd feel comfortable giving a tour around
>> synhak, where people ask questions how everything works, and that's
>> something I found that a lot of people didn't know how to do?
>> * Will - shakes head yes over and over, I think I know enough to give a
>> new person and over-view
>>
>> * Chris N. - SYNHAK is kind of worthless without a key, so just you being
>> here, doesn't matter when it is, it's going to be open for those who don't
>> have a key.
>>
>> * Torrie - unfortunate fact that our front door is it's only a dead bolt
>> and not let anyone in, just pray it's not a fire.
>>
>> * Philip - if you get a key can you commit to a time during the week that
>> isn't covered now?
>> * Will - in the process of getting a summer job so after I get a job I
>> can commit.
>>
>> * Justin - don't lock the door while you're in here, that's against fire
>> code. Just FYI
>>
>> Concensus next week!
>>
>> Discussion:
>>
>> * Xander - Community working group
>> If you want to make an official proposal, but we wouldn't need a proposal
>> I don't think. I dind't see anyone disagreeing with that.
>>
>> * Chris N. - Get ken burns
>>
>> * Xander - Is going to regularly come to synhak
>>
>> * Becca - Anyone have a problem with this
>>
>> * Torrie - I kind of read most of the proposal, but I think a first step
>> before jumping in, would be some kind of meeting outside of tuesday for the
>> working group.
>>
>> * Steve - Provide a summary next tuesday meeting
>>
>> * Torrie - some other spaces are experimenting with called fractal
>> working groups, where CWG is one working group within the space, the space
>> as a whole on a tuesday is the SYNHAK working group. Each of
>> those little groups, meeting independantly with own mailing lists, where
>> they would discuss things on their own, and once they decide that it
>> affects others, and bring it up in the main tuesday meeting.
>> It would help shorten these issues.
>>
>> * Steve - All for that
>>
>> * Philip - read some of the emails, is it open to memeber/non-members?
>>
>> * Becca - that's up to the group
>>
>> Torrie - two things: to expand on fractal workoing group: each would have
>> its own decision process the default being consensus. it would be self
>> organizing and would be up to each org. The CWG parts: for a while
>> we wanted to start a NEOhio hackerspace association. Each hackerspace
>> sends one person to represent the hackerspace and solve problems. I'm just
>> throwing it out for advice.
>>
>> Phillip - arent the CWG to help synhak grow? what is CWG?
>>
>> Torrie - Don't misinterpret me. However it runs, it doesn't have to be
>> like that.
>>
>> Xander - Right now my goal is conflict resoultion.
>>
>> Justin - Motion to table discussion.
>>
>> Xander - Seconds motion.
>>
>> Discussion tabled
>>
>> Mod - Any comment on discussion of you Torrie?
>>
>> Torrie - I've been wanting to talk to people about this for a long time.
>> I don't know what the prob is. i've been very open ablout this. All I've
>> been getting is bad comments. (People saying I'm wrong).
>> I feel these are valid concerns and no one has been able to address them.
>> I still maintain my same comments. I don't rash decisons are appropriate
>> until we have CWG. I want CWG to figure out these problems
>> instead of knee jerlk reactions. We all need to just calm down and I'm
>> looking forward to vacation. I'm glad I'm not treasurer. i'll go on
>> suspension if you guys want me to. That's cool, I want a CWG to fi
>> figure out the solutioin.
>>
>> Justin - You want to fixz thingsa. my imprression is that you have wanted
>> to fix things and then others bring up concerns about your actiuons and you
>> have not addressed them. It's troubling because the
>> space prides itself on everything being everyones responsibbility. You
>> reject comments. Steve and Andy experienced conflict issues. It's a concern
>> that youve created these rifts in the community.
>>
>> Steve - Several points: I've noticed you continuously say youre open to
>> issues. Every time people try to resolve, you make personal attacks. You do
>> it over and over again. It's unexcellent and you don't care.
>> Yes I get CWG is a supported idea and I dont think it falls uder that. As
>> soon as someone disagrees with you it happens again. You come up with
>> excuses to hate them.
>>
>> Devin - You said pitch forks and torches are rash. youre the only person
>> whos's created removal from office proposals. I dont see how you still
>> stick to your guns.
>>
>> Torrie - I want to see where I'm coming from. I really hate brining it
>> up. Back in Nov or Dec, those racks are an unresolved issue. There was no
>> discussion or meeting minutes. nothing happended. I was told
>> was signed and had to deal with it. Synhak was under liability for
>> whatever happensed to those racks. Issues were ignored because we were
>> doing something nice. I'm the most vocal person about something.
>> It wasnt until I pointed it out that the negative liability issues. I was
>> told by the Champion that everyone was OK except for one person. I brought
>> up concerns and they were not addressed; they were ignored.
>> I was ignored when I asked for a sublease.
>>
>> Becca - Everyone here is aware. We are not discussing the rack issue.
>>
>> Torrie - I undeestand.I'm trying to show where I'm coming from.
>>
>> Becca - Can yuou wrap it up?
>>
>> Torrie - Again: I was ignored and ignotred and it wasnt til I brought up
>> serious legal issues but no single person thought to look at it. I have
>> legitamate concerns but no one has replied.
>> No one has told me why I should as Treasurer be forced to deal with extra
>> concerns. These are not valid.
>>
>> Becca - Is that pretty much a summation?
>>
>> Torrie - Yes.
>>
>> Becca - Anyone want to address direct comment?
>>
>> AJ9 -
>>
>> Justin - I can put this to bed.
>>
>> Steve - You should have to deal with it because it was your job.
>>
>> Paul - If I was Torrie I'd feel attacked. I'm not hearing "this is what
>> happneded and this is what I want to do." If you have unresolved issues
>> it's your fault. The majority of comments have been bad or covertly bad
>> but not moving forward. Nothing positive will hapopoen untill all
>> parties aggree. Principles before personalities. I'm lacking that this
>> evening. Why would anyone show up if people are going to get put
>> in that meeting. Everyone's got hurt feelings: action as opposed to
>> words. Torrie:"If you aren't happy with me I'm going to bail." I havent
>> seen any positive tonight.
>>
>> Steve - This is about removal of Torrie proposal. She's got out and
>> attacked people repeatedly.
>>
>> Paul - No one here are social butterflies. When Philip was talking about
>> the young boy: is Torrie a law-breaker? No. yes, Torrie may have attacked
>> people but that's between that person in Torrie. For
>> God's sake, have a vote for or against a person.
>>
>> Steve - Public attacks are not something people should have to deal with.
>>
>> Torrie - Steve I'm sorry can we talk about this?
>>
>> Xander - des[pite unexcellence in the past, be excellent in the future.
>>
>> Torrie - How can we be productive?
>>
>> Xander - Make a proposal or have discussion in private.
>>
>> Steve - I get the whole 1-1 thing but it occured in a group and needs to
>> be addressed in a group.
>>
>> Torrie - Has there been any call for mediation? Obviously I don't know
>> what i've done wrong.
>>
>> Steve - Yes you do. How can you say it's not offensive when I'm not a
>> transphobe? I have nothing against LGBT.
>>
>> Steve leaves.
>>
>> Justin - Summary: Steve is upset because he feels the other party isnt
>> listening and isnt usuing sense.
>>
>> Phillip - I'd like to as a group sit down with binding arbitration. I
>> want to see people contribute. I dont want people to leave. SO do something!
>>
>> Paul - As a nonmember, I'd volunteer my services over hiring a real
>> mediator. Cause this is group therapy. I've got not no dog in this fight.
>>
>> Torrie - I will not be back until the 22.
>>
>> Justin - I want discuss problems with the website.
>>
>> Devin - There were also signs hung on the door and website graffitti.
>>
>> Justin - It is from a residential account. It points to a TDFisher web
>> account.
>>
>> Torrie - What evidence do you have?
>>
>> Devin - *reads sign about 24/7 surveillance*
>>
>> Torrie - Have you considered others are upset?
>>
>> - We want to make sure whoever is doing that knows it is bad.
>>
>> Xander - If you're doing that please stop.
>>
>> Meeting is adhurned by Xander
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Andrew Buczko
>> <a4s...@dsprototyping.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think someone said said something about the WIFI was loading slow.
>>>
>>> I suggested that he mail it to the list so at least it's here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Steve Radonich IV <
>>> nesfr...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can load it on my phone but not my computers
>>>>
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>
>>>> From: "Robert Rybicki" <rob...@robertrybicki.com>
>>>> Sent: May 13, 2014 11:22 PM
>>>> To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" <discuss@synhak.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
>>>>
>>>> What is the status of the website? I have heard from some that it is
>>>> down but it has been working for me and G said it worked for him. Is this a
>>>> selective DOS attack?
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On May 13, 2014, at 7:53 PM, William Schaffer <wschaff...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi all, here are the meeting minutes for today's meeting 5/13/14. I
>>>> was not able to upload them to the website because of its status, so I've
>>>> attached them to this email as I was instructed. Please note that Steve
>>>> took notes for the first part of the meeting, and that I took notes for the
>>>> last part of the meeting. If you have any questions, please let me know!
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > -Will
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Very Respectfully,
>>>> >
>>>> > William G. Schaffer
>>>> > 330-752-3328
>>>> > The University of Akron
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