Hola Alexandro, * es una pena que haya sido necesario esto para que te dignaras entrar a debatir el tema.
Un comentario previo de tu mensaje en inglés: hablas más de lo que yo personalmente hago o dejo de hacer en el proyecto que de tu potencial conflicto de intereses. Pero yo no tengo ninguna responsabilidad en OOo, por lo que puedo hacer o no hacer lo quiera. Tú sí que la tienes, por lo que según lo que hagas aparece el conflicto de intereses. No te lo tomes como un tema personal, ni tan solo te conozco personalmente. Has estado liderando la Comunidad Hispana durante muchos años y nadie ha puesto en duda tu aportación. Ni durante estos años que ha estado funcionando OOoES dentro de OOo nadie ha visto ningún problema. Pero esa no es la cuestión; el escenario ha cambiado y tú has tomado unas decisiones en relación a esos cambios, te has involucrado en TDF y has iniciado un nuevo proyecto oooes.org fuera de OOo. Algunos pensamos que todo eso te a provocar en algún momento u otro un conflicto de intereses: eso es todo, ni más ni menos. Si quieres proseguir el debate y aclarar la situación hablemos de la situación que genera el conflicto de intereses, y explícanos como vas a estar en TDF, oooes.org y vas además a liderar el proyecto español de OOo sin tener que tomar nunca una decisión que entre en conflicto con alguno de los tres. Un saludo, Ramon Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:34:36 -0600, Ramon Sole <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Louis and CC members, >> >> some members of the Spanish NLC project find that the current leader, >> Alexandro Colorado, is incurring in a situation of Conflict of Interest >> (COI). The grounds for that thoughts are the following: > > Ramon, > > For weeks I have been reading the big shakeup you have been caused to > our community. You have been pushing this conflict of interest for quite > a while and even if other members of the community have explain you > several times that such doesn't exist you have incisted in the issue. At > the same time, your work has been extremely limited in the community. > Your only contribution has been a paper that was translated by you in > 2008. Since then most of the emails have been to either claiming not > agreen with our changes or having it's members including myself under a > shadier light that needed. > >> - Alexandro has registered the domain documentfoundation.es to his name. >> He's furthermore actively working with the TDF leaders on building and >> promoting that domain, even within the Spanish OOo Community. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186 > > That is a big assumption, honestly I dont time myself on the work I do > for TDF or OOo. At the moment I have been working on three different > projects, the OOo wiki help files have been updated as well on many > oooES meetings regarding the release of 3.3 from OOo. Saying that I have > been working more on TDF than OOo might actually be untrue since there > is more work right now in 3.3 release than others. Regardless of that I > have been working with the documentation team to get the starting guide > for OOo up to speed. > >> - Alexandro and other members have started a private project named >> oooes.org, independent of OOo. Alexandro and those members are >> encouraging people in the OOo project to leave OOo and migrate to that >> private project. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24454 > > OOoES was started 3 years ago as a way to have a better syncronization > of the tasks for OOo. Giving the release of LibreOffice and also the > increase of tasks from ooo4kids in the past year and a half we have been > discussing the task of having a neutral channel of communication. This > will allow us better flexibility on organizing the work from this 3 > projects so we launched a mailing list that will allow us to do our job > better. We have never encourage anybody to leave OOo but on the contrary > if you read the letter. We want to show the commitment to the OOo project. > >> >> - Alexandro intends to migrate the lists and forums of OOo to that >> private project oooes.org. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24472 >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Organizacion/Log5JuntaOOoES > > We never intended to migrate the forums, actually the forums have taught > us because of their unique position to handle the communication on the > mailing list on a similar arangement. Since the forums are sort of > independent, same way oooauthors.org which can extend their support to > other projects. Other projects like the BrOffice have a similar > configuration where they are able to handle their own infrastructure and > provide it's own services. oooES has been doing this for several years > with the services on Moodle and other peripheral sites cross-linked with > the collabnet site. > >> >> - Other members of the Spanish project with administration privileges >> are also encouraging people to quit the OOo project and work on the >> oooes.org site instead. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4674 >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4685 > > Again this is completley false, migrating list and quiting OOo project > are very different things. This migration plan was announced and handle > a public meetup to present possible disagreements, as far as I can tell, > there was not a big reasoning why this shouldn't be done. As you can > see, most of the people have spoken in approval of this proposal. Ariel, > Marcos, and yourself have been vocal on your disagreament. But the pros > outweights the cons and we have considered we gave the chance for > everyone to express their concerns. In the end most people have reacted > positively to the news. More important, the people that agree is the > people that has contributed the most ot this community through out it's > 9 years history. I don't think that people with such commitment has > intend on just quiting. Same goes to the this COI deal, I can argue that > you have the same position with your company being listed as supporter > of the TDF. I think what is more important your actual contributions, > than your discussions on a mailing list. > >> >> Some people on the Spanish project think that behavior is unacceptable >> in a leader of the OOo Community. We tried to start a discussion in the >> Spanish lists and asked for an explanation, but after several weeks we >> hadn't any response from Alexandro about the COI. Furthermore, he is > > I already responded to you earlier in the discussion > (http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9188), I am > sorry I didn't continue replying. I need that time on things that can > provide a better benefit to the project. that time could be better > invested in actually improving the documentation or performing QA on > this upcoming 3.3 release. Perhaps I would be more interested in > learning how this proposal could affect negatively your job in the > community? > >> insisting in moving people and information of OOo to the oooes.org site. >> It seems he's practicing a strategy of avoid the topic and keep >> "business as usual" as if nothing happened. I think we are in an >> extraordinary circumstance, as defined in the Guidelines for >> Participating in OpenOffice.org, where the CC should act. So I'm >> publicly informing the OOo project leader and the CC of the situation >> and asking for a new election of the leader, if you finally think the >> COI exists. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Ramon Sole >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Apreciados Louis y miembros del CC, >> >> algunos miembros del proyecto NLC español pensamos que el actual leader, >> Alexandro Colorado, está incurriendo en una situación de conflicto de >> intereses (COI). Las razones para ello son las siguientes: >> >> - Alexandro ha registrado el dominio documentfoundation.es a su nombre. >> Además estña trabajando activamente con los líderes de TDF constuyendo y >> promocionando el dominio, incluso en la Comunidad Hispana de OOo. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186 >> >> - Alexandro y otros miembros han iniciado un proyecto privado llamado >> oooes.org, independiente de OOo. Alexandro y esos miembros están >> animando a la gente en el proyecto OOo a abandonar OOo y migrar a ese >> nuevo proyecto privado. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24454 >> >> - Alexandro tiene intención de migrar las listas y foros de OOo a ese >> proyecto privado oooes.org. >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss_es&msgNo=24472 >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Organizacion/Log5JuntaOOoES >> >> - Otros miembros del proyecto en español de OOo con privilegios de >> administradores están también animando a la gente a dejar el proyecto >> OOo y trabajar en cambio en oooes.org >> >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4674 >> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4685 >> >> Algunas personas del proyecto español pensamos que está conducta es >> inaceptable en un lider de la Comunidad de OOo. Hemos intentado empezar >> una discusión en las listas españolas y hemos pedido una explicación, >> pero tras varias semanas no hemos tenido ninguna respuesta de Alexandro >> sobre el conflicto de intereses. Al contrario, insiste en mover la gente >> e información de OOo al sitio oooes.org site. Parece que está >> practicando una estrategia de evitar el tema y mantener “las cosas como >> están” como si nada ocurriese. Creo que se da una circunstancia >> extraordinaria, según está definida en las "Líneas maestras para >> participar en OpenOffice.org" en la cuál el CC debería actuar. >> Por ello estoy informando públicamente al líder de OOo y al CC de la >> situación y pidiendo una nueva elección de líder, si piensan que el >> conflicto de intereses es real. >> >> Saludos cordiales, >> >> Ramon Sole >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
