On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:42 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com <j...@jeffcroft.com> wrote:
...
> One way I think design proposals/tickets need to be treated
> differently than other stuff is that there shouldn't be this, "sure,
> great idea, go build it and get back to us" attitude involved.

I agree with your general point, which I interpret to mean: ideas are
useful, even without code, and designers specialize, often to the
exclusion of coding.    Unfortunately, unless the person filing the
request/ticket makes it clear that their request isn't something they
can personally fulfill, it's hard to tell the difference between a
person being lazy (i.e. wishing for a pony) and a person asking for
assistance (i.e. a designer asking for a smart if tag).

It's an important distinction.  At the same time, it is also important
to recognize the difference between being ignored and being in a long,
difficult to prioritize, line.

...
> I think the Django community needs to better respect the fact that
> just because someone can't SOLVE a problem themselves doesn't mean
> they're not able to IDENTIFY one.

I think "patches welcome" does presuppose that anyone with the proper
time and attention could fill their own needs, and that's generally
been a correct assumption.  Open source is built on sharing code, and
sometimes it's hard to judge whether an idea is good or not without
seeing an implementation.

I guess I'd just ask that when you feel coders are being unfair just
call it when you see it.  Start with the assumption that we mean well
and maybe don't see where you're coming from, like Russ with the
contest idea.  :-)

All that said, developers everywhere have some amount of
not-invented-here syndrome, and they have ideas, too.  Often, they'll
work on their ideas rather than look for someone else's.   Since we're
all volunteer, it's not appropriate to tell people what they should or
shouldn't work on.  So I think designers proposing ideas (but not
providing code) are inherently at a disadvantage.

I imagine that there's enough overlap between designers who can code a
bit and developers who can design a bit to get together and make
progress.  We just have to try it and see how it goes.

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