I too am in favour of this change.

But I read Andrew's comment differently: it's maybe not the 60 characters, but some sort of "aggregation" we could be looking for. So maybe instead of "0026_remove_book_title_add_book_description" we could have "0026_book_add_remove" - especially when multiple fields were involved.

Alternatively, makemigrations could also generate multiple migrations (by default?) in order to obtain the goal of meaningful names? Have a parameter to force combining?

LP,
Jure

On 23/04/2020 21:34, Adam Johnson wrote:
Thank you all for the feedback.

Re: Andrew:

    (60 is a bit long though, maybe we can bump it down to something a
    bit shorter?)


Sure, how about 42? 👽

Re: Jon:

    Did you have a suggestion for this situation? Revert back to
    auto-naming or request the user to name the migration?


The patch as-is accumulates suggested names from operations in order, until the length is >=60 characters. Later operations just aren't mentioned.

Re: Claude:

    An alternative could be to ask the user in interactive mode (and
    keep the current behaviour in non-interactive mode).


I'd be up for this if we "pre-fill" the input with the auto-generated name, to make it easy to continue when we can suggest a reasonable name. Forcing users to type a name from scratch could be annoying especially when iterating on a new feature and dropping/rebuilding the respective migration.

Re: Caio:

    I work on a project where migration names are fixed to “auto”. We
    use a similar technique to those mentioned in the blog post to do
    that. The reason is that we want to force developers to get
    conflicts (git) on migration names during the review process,
    rather than having to handle migration merging manually during deploy


Yes, this is a secondary problem with migrations, trying to keep the history linear via git.

I've used an alternative solution where a second file is created in the migrations folder called "latest" or similar, that simply contains the name of the latest migration file. This forces a conflict.

Although that's an alternative proposal, I think adding something like that to Django could be a good idea. It's better than forcing all migrations to have meaningless names.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 16:47, Andrew Godwin <and...@aeracode.org <mailto:and...@aeracode.org>> wrote:

    I am a little mixed on this change - the behaviour during the
    initial development was indeed to concatenate names like this,
    albeit only for adding fields or models; I thought it looked
    unwieldy, which is why I added the "auto" name.

    That said, the number is the only part that actually matters, and
    while the date is sometimes useful for people to resolve merge
    conflicts, I don't think it's better than more informative
    autogenerated names, so I'm happy to go with the change.

    (60 is a bit long though, maybe we can bump it down to something a
    bit shorter?)

    Andrew

    On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:06 AM Adam Johnson <m...@adamj.eu
    <mailto:m...@adamj.eu>> wrote:

        Hi djangonauts,

        In a blog post earlier this year I outlined my technique to
        prevent Django creating migration files with automatic date
        names. I had a lot of response with other techniques and ended
        up adding two more techniques to the post. It's at
        
https://adamj.eu/tech/2020/02/24/how-to-disallow-auto-named-django-migrations/
        .

        The problem with such migration names:

            When you run Django’s |manage.py makemigrations|, it will
            try to generate a name for the migration based upon its
            contents. For example, if you are adding a single field,
            it will call the migration |0002_mymodel_myfield.py|.
            However when your migration contains more than one step,
            it instead uses a simple ‘auto’ name with the current date
            + time, e.g. |0002_auto_20200113_1837.py|. You can provide
            the |-n|/|--name| argument to |makemigrations|, but
            developers often forget this.

            Naming things is a known hard problem in programming.
            Having migrations with these automatic names makes
            managing them harder: You can’t tell which is which
            without opening them, and you could still mix them up if
            they have similar names due to being generated on the same
            day.

        Django *currently* sets the migration name to something other
        than the automatic date name in two cases:

          * If the migration contains a single operation, it uses a
            name based on that operation, e.g.
            00023_remove_model_field, or 0024_add_model_field (but not
            for all operation types)
          * If the migration consists *only* of model creation
            operations, it combines their operation names names, which
            come as just the lower-cased model names e.g.
            0025_book_author_sale

        I opened a PR to expand the operation naming for the single
        case to cover all built-in operations:
        https://github.com/django/django/pull/12131

        I'd like to propose using this new full coverage of operation
        naming to remove the "auto_YYYYMMDD" behaviour, and instead
        always combine operations' "suggested migration names" up
        until a limit of say 60 characters. I made a commit for that
        here:
        
https://github.com/adamchainz/django/commit/c2bc6893a05c2c8099e1fb68e688618446641ed6

        This would lead to migration names such as:

          * 0026_remove_book_title_add_book_description

        Whilst perhaps long, they're explict and imo easier to work
        with than the auto_YYYYMMDD behaviour.

        Mariusz wrote on the PR:

            Personally, I'm against removing auto named migrations.
            IMO chaining operation names is even more confusing.

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