On Apr 5, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Benny Pedersen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Al Iverson skrev den 2013-04-05 18:13:
> 
>> Sure, I could be totally wrong. But I might not be.
> 
> the bug is that dmarc should not be used with deep scanning on dmarc, it 
> should trust maillist server dmarc record,

The mailing list server's DMARC record, if it has one, is entirely irrelevant.

> if it does not whats the point of dmarc then ?
> 
> that sayed, its still not working with dkim, and spf forwards if google does 
> not trust maillist servers as trusted forwarders :(
> 
> i cant get dkim pass back here, but it works as designed on postfix / apache 
> maillists, fix the real problem first

The primary problem is people who add inappropriate DMARC records to domains 
that should not have them (due to their usage patterns being contrary to the 
DMARC assertion). That in itself isn't a problem for the email ecosystem at 
large, as it'll just lead to problems for their users.

But it leads to the secondary problem of mail administrators who implement 
DMARC in a half-hearted manner and attempt to work around the primary problem 
by picking and choosing which DMARC records to pay attention to, and when, 
opening up a broad enough attack surface as to make p=REJECT not reliable 
enough to be useful, especially for smaller domains that weren't special-cased 
previously and aren't being correctly special-cased now.

It's possible my experience with ADSP is colouring my take on this, but I did 
have higher hopes for DMARC.

Cheers,
 Steve
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