>Until we have a solution that lets DMARC mail securely transit email lists, 
>our two legged
>DMARC table will wobble. 

We have a perfectly good one that certain people are too pig-headed to
use: don't subscribe to lists from addresses with DMARC policies.

Speaking as someone who has run mailing lists for 20 years, I can
assure you that we didn't take useful features out of our list
software to deal with the last dozen FUSSPs, and we're not going to
change it to deal with DMARC.  Forget it, don't waste your keystrokes
asking.

If you think your domain is so threatened that you need to publish
p=reject (which it probably isn't if your name isn't Paypal or
American Greetings, but that's a separate issue), then why isn't it
worth an extra 15 minutes of your time to set up a separate address in
a subdomain or at gmail to use for lists?

Remember, nobody has to accept your mail at all.  To the extent that
you publish DMARC policies that increase other people's pain, they are
going to ease the pain by ignoring the policies, or perhaps by taking
your p=reject advice to its logical conclusion and throwing all your
mail away.  I've already made a one-line config change to my lists to
do that.  Who needs the grief?

R's,
John
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