On April 26, 2023 1:47:14 AM UTC, Hector Santos 
<hsantos=40isdg....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>On 4/25/2023 9:06 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> It appears that Scott Kitterman  <skl...@kitterman.com> said:
>>> My recollection is that a general formulation that I proposed had at least
>>> some traction out of both groups:
>>> 
>>>> [some appropriate description] domains MUST NOT publish restrictive DMARC
>>>> policies due to interoperability issues
>> This seems like a reasonable approach. As a purely practical point, I
>> cannot imagine this document getting through the IESG without some
>> clear guidance about DMARC's interop issues.
>
>+1
>
>> PS: If anyone was going to suggest we just tell people how to change
>> their mailing lists to work around DMARC, don't go there.
>
>I don't follow.
>
>A "no change" recommendation caused problems.  The current fix is:
>
>1) "Rewrite From" to tear down restrictive DMARC security,
>2) Prevent Subscription/Submission of restrictive DMARC domains.
>
>#1 is undesirable. Empirical practice on a different internet has shown when 
>following #2, for an existing list with members with restrictive domains, they 
>will essentially become Read-Only List members because any submission/reply by 
>them will be blocked.
>

Hector,

I think we all understand that there are things mailing lists can do to 
mitigate the interoperability impacts of DMARC.  I don't think it's germane to 
the current question.  Please, let's stay focused.

Scott K

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