On Friday, April 28, 2023 3:57:55 AM EDT Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Fri 28/Apr/2023 05:14:16 +0200 Jesse Thompson wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> On April 28, 2023 2:49:48 AM UTC, Jesse Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:40 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > >>>>> Also, state that serious consideration includes testing p=quarantine; > >>>>> pct=0^H t=y.>>>> > >>>> I was going to say something similar but I think that it is implied by > >>>> section A.7>>> > >>>Actually, I like referencing A.7 here as a pointer. > >>> > >>>This achieves consensus on the rewrite objection. > >>> > >>>A.7 describes the rewrite without condoning it: > >>>[citation elided] > > Good note. I think it's called /lapsus calami/ when one ends up writing > something which wasn't supposed to be uttered. "The phenomena can be traced > back to incompletely suppressed psychical material, which, although pushed > away by consciousness, has nevertheless not been robbed of all capacity for > expressing itself" to cite Freud. > > >> I think we can describe what people are doing without placing a strong > >> value judgement on it, but I think we have to say we haven't assessed > >> all the associated interoperability impacts of it and at least mention > >> that 5321 says not to do it.> > > Restricting the "MUST NOT" to the context of 5321 achieves consensus, I > > think > RFC 5321 is not normative on that point. Section 3.9 says MLMs MUST change > the bounce address and SHOULD simply use the list. That's the only mustard > in the section. Changes to the header and the body are certainly not > encouraged, but the section ends saying: > > There exist mailing lists that perform additional, sometimes > extensive, modifications to a message and its envelope. Such mailing > lists need to be viewed as full MUAs, which accept a delivery and > post a new message. > > Now, *every* MUA I know rewrites From: when the user forwards a message.
We've gone pretty far past where I was planning to go with this particular thread, so I'll leave this with two points: 1. MUA forwarding of a message is not a mailing list. 2. Read the main part of 3.9, not the sub-paragraph. Scott K _______________________________________________ dmarc mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
