On July 20, 2023 7:46:57 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote: >On Wed 19/Jul/2023 21:38:44 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >> >> On July 19, 2023 5:38:08 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Wed 19/Jul/2023 15:25:17 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: >>>> On July 19, 2023 7:27:00 AM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Wed 19/Jul/2023 08:20:14 +0200 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 4:27 AM Douglas Foster < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) For evaluators that enforce DMARC against lists, are they willing to >>>>>>> consider any concessions to list traffic? If so, do they favor an >>>>>>> exemption process where the list avoids munging, or an unmunging >>>>>>> solution implemented at their inbound gateway? >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you determine that an evaluator is enforcing DMARC "against >>>>>> lists"? >>>>> >>>>> That assumes there are lists that don't munge From:. Is that real today? >>>> >>>> Most of my list mail is from lists that don't. >>> >>> Oops, I had in mind that lists modify messages. Some of them don't, that >>> way they don't need From: munging. It is quite common too. >>> >>> Let me reword the question: Are there lists that modify messages and don't >>> munge From:? >> >> Yes, although those are fewer. > > >That's interesting. Do they have different workarounds or ban p=reject? >Please describe something about them, or just share a pointer to their archive >if you prefer. > >I think it's crucial, since we're weighting how to word the theoretical >prohibition to use DMARC, to know what's the actual reality. Many opponents >to MUST NOT argue about the usefulness of closing the stable door after the >horses have bolted out. So, knowing there are some horses still in makes a >difference, doesn't it? Presumably, they're never going to leave even if we >leave the doors open? And why? >
I really don't know. These aren't lists I administer. I think that it shouldn't affect the answer about what to put in the document. Those of us here are a miniscule slice of the overall user base for email, I think it's a serious mistake to think peculiarities of the exact lists we use is relevant to anything. Scott K _______________________________________________ dmarc mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
